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Old 05-17-2014, 06:48 AM  
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The inconvenient truth about climate change and Obama’s policies

By Peter MoriciPublished May 16, 2014FoxNews.com

The inconvenient truth President Obama denies about climate change is that China’s refusal to cooperate in international efforts to address the problem makes U.S. efforts to slow its pace futile. Moreover, his policies severely handicap America’s ability to mitigate its consequences.

The global climate has gone through profound cycles of cooling and warming since long before humans walked the Earth. While public figures and some scientists may disagree, the majority of researchers have concluded that human activities – in particular, greenhouse gas emissions – are now a significant cause of global warming, and they are urging concerted international action.

Carbon dioxide composes 80 percent of harmful emissions. Having failed to win congressional approval for a system of permits to reduce emissions, the president has unilaterally targeted coal-fired electric utilities and fuel used in transportation to reduce U.S. emissions by 17 percent from 2005 levels.

Those actions are unnecessary and harmful.

The global climate has gone through profound cycles of cooling and warming since long before humans walked the Earth.
In recent years, more abundant and cheaper natural gas has motivated electric utilities to switch from coal, and energy intensive manufacturers in metals, chemicals and the like have made remarkable, cost-saving progress to reduce energy use.

Responding to consumer preferences, automakers were making more fuel-efficient vehicles before the president imposed more stringent mileage standards. The high cost and stress of commuting are encouraging many young people to live closer to their jobs. Competition from rail is pressuring trucking companies to purchase more fuel-efficient rigs.

Together, those free-market decisions have reduced CO2 emissions by more than 9 percent from 2005 levels.

Now the EPA and other federal agencies want to micro-manage those choices by imposing inflexible standards on electric utilities and other manufacturers. Progressives would happily force as many Americans as they can onto mass transit, imposing a terrible drain on state transportation and local government operating budgets.

Those initiatives would not do much to arrest global warming, but by increasing taxes and production costs, they would send more jobs to China.

With an economy about half the size, China already emits almost twice as much CO2 as either the United States or Europe. Every 18 months, its emissions grow enough to replace the emissions savings the United States will accomplish by hitting the president’s 15-year target.

Other developing countries, like India, are similarly adding to the problem; however, China accounts for about 85 percent of the annual increase in global CO2 emissions.

When jobs are outsourced to China, global emissions go up, because China uses energy less efficiently and relies more heavily on coal than the United States, and the growth of manufacturing encourages migration to cities where folks use more electricity and automotive fuel.

Simply, without China’s cooperation, U.S. efforts are futile.

Progressives propose to bring China and other nations along through diplomacy, but despite considerable effort, the president has not been able to obtain Beijing’s cooperation on climate change, its undervalued currency, or just about anything else that would constrain the Middle Kingdom’s growth.

Put bluntly, if man-made emissions are the culprit, then by China’s actions alone global warming is going to happen with the force and fury many fear. The United States can do little to stop it, and efforts to do so will only reduce U.S. resources available to mitigate its consequences.

U.S. economic growth has fallen from 3.4 percent during the Reagan-Clinton years to 1.7 percent since the beginning of this century. This slowdown was caused by U.S currency and trade policies toward China that disadvantage U.S. manufacturers, restrictions on offshore oil and gas development that keep America dependent on imports, and costly and ineffective regulations on banking, health care and other industries.

Millions of Americans are without decent jobs, and governments at all levels are severely challenged. Those will get worse if the nation continues on its current path.

Rising temperatures will confront federal and state agencies with unparalleled challenges, as droughts dislocate cattle ranchers in the Southwest, insects threaten forests, arable regions shift north, rising seas flood coastal cities and new diseases attack humans, plants and animals.

Moving populations and economic activities will cost trillions of dollars, and an economy impoverished by mindless micro-management from Washington simply won’t be able to generate the tax dollars to foot the bill.

Americans will be forced to abandon farms and cities – simply, fend for themselves – as Washington will not be able to sustain the essential elements of civilization.


Peter Morici is an economist and professor at the Smith School of Business, University of Maryland, and widely published columnist. He is the five time winner of the MarketWatch best forecaster award.

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Old 05-17-2014, 06:50 AM   #2
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Obama's energy policy = attack on middle class.
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Old 05-17-2014, 09:44 AM   #3
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What an odd opinion piece. The author does not deny climate change, but instead throws out bizarre reasoning for not addressing it. Without ever offering a better plan.

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Having failed to win congressional approval for a system of permits to reduce emissions, the president has unilaterally targeted coal-fired electric utilities and fuel used in transportation to reduce U.S. emissions by 17 percent from 2005 levels.

Those actions are unnecessary and harmful.


In recent years, more abundant and cheaper natural gas has motivated electric utilities to switch from coal, and energy intensive manufacturers in metals, chemicals and the like have made remarkable, cost-saving progress to reduce energy use.
The government says reduce emissions, and that's unnecessary and harmful? But yet manufacturers have made remarkable, cost-saving progress reducing emissions? Which is is? Unnecessary and harmful or remarkable and cost-saving? Guess it depends on who's motivation it was.

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Progressives would happily force as many Americans as they can onto mass transit, imposing a terrible drain on state transportation and local government operating budgets.
WTF? Terrible drain on state transportation and local budgets? What kind of reasoning is that? Increased use does not equate to a drain on budgets. It's not some free service that local governments cannot budget or profit from.

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Those initiatives would not do much to arrest global warming, but by increasing taxes and production costs, they would send more jobs to China.
No.

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Simply, without China’s cooperation, U.S. efforts are futile.
Futile? That's just nonsense.

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Put bluntly, if man-made emissions are the culprit, then by China’s actions alone global warming is going to happen with the force and fury many fear. The United States can do little to stop it, and efforts to do so will only reduce U.S. resources available to mitigate its consequences.
I think it's an incredibly dangerous and irrational plan to say China won't help, it's gonna happen anyway, so let's not try and better the situation ourselves, let's just enjoy the climate-damaging profits and just prepare for addressing the consequences.

Seriously, is that the gist of the author's reasoning? We can't stop it, so why waste money on it if the other guys might not do the same? That is acknowledgement that climate change is happening, and preference is for short term profit over long term mitigation.

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U.S. economic growth has fallen from 3.4 percent during the Reagan-Clinton years to 1.7 percent since the beginning of this century. This slowdown was caused by U.S currency and trade policies toward China that disadvantage U.S. manufacturers, restrictions on offshore oil and gas development that keep America dependent on imports, and costly and ineffective regulations on banking, health care and other industries.

Millions of Americans are without decent jobs, and governments at all levels are severely challenged. Those will get worse if the nation continues on its current path.
Because of terrible government policies that didn't benefit the US economy, we can't address saving our environment from potential climate change damage. That's nice. Our government sucks, so the environment will just have to accept whatever happens.

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Rising temperatures will confront federal and state agencies with unparalleled challenges, as droughts dislocate cattle ranchers in the Southwest, insects threaten forests, arable regions shift north, rising seas flood coastal cities and new diseases attack humans, plants and animals.

Moving populations and economic activities will cost trillions of dollars, and an economy impoverished by mindless micro-management from Washington simply won’t be able to generate the tax dollars to foot the bill.

Americans will be forced to abandon farms and cities – simply, fend for themselves – as Washington will not be able to sustain the essential elements of civilization.
Again, acknowledging the possibilities of the effects, but noting that we can't do anything about it because hey our government has sucked ass for a few decades and times are hard.

China's involvement in addressing climate change is certainly a huge issue. But just throwing our hands up and saying "Fine, if they won't play then neither will we!" is not the solution. Not by a long shot. And that's the message I'm getting from this article.
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Old 05-17-2014, 09:47 AM   #4
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So Morici believes in global warming and that it'll wipe out Texas cattle ranchers and flood eastern shoreline cities, and displace millions of Americans. Cool.
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Old 05-17-2014, 09:49 AM   #5
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Wait, so we finally gotten to that phase were conservatives are acknowledging that man-made climate change is real? Let me guess all of you forgot that it maybe even a few months ago you were denying that simple fact?

Next up in a few years – well it's real, and we could've done something, but it's too late now. Let's spend billions on mitigation!
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Wait, so we finally gotten to that phase were conservatives are acknowledging that man-made climate change is real? Let me guess all of you forgot that it maybe even a few months ago you were denying that simple fact?

We are now at the phase where a college professor in Washington DC supports climate change theory. It is indeed a shocker.
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Old 05-17-2014, 10:24 AM   #7
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Hey, I'm ecstatic to see articles like this, for just that reason. We're finally getting beyond the denial phase and into the acceptance of reality. Now, we can talk about what we should do about it.

Aaaand this article doesn't offer any solutions. That's all right. It's still good to see we're getting there.
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And he's in Maryland, not DC - at my alma mater, even. *harumph*
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And he's in Maryland, not DC - at my alma mater, even. *harumph*
College Park is 12 miles from DC, you douche.
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Wait, so we finally gotten to that phase were conservatives are acknowledging that man-made climate change is real? Let me guess all of you forgot that it maybe even a few months ago you were denying that simple fact?

Next up in a few years – well it's real, and we could've done something, but it's too late now. Let's spend billions on mitigation!
Nope, climate change is natural the Earth warms and cools. Also, the theory that it will destroy civilization is a really stupid one. A major ice age wouldn't kill humanity just squash it down to the equator. Other then that hot times have seen flourishing of life not mass extinction. Even in the human historical record civilization was at is apex during hot times and in feudalism in cold times.

The beginnings of the industrial revolution, agricultural revolution, and the new strain of wheat developed during the last feudal period made the cold times after the late middle ages and renaissance not as destructive in Eurasia as elsewhere but still there was a large die off due to disease during that time period. It just didn't totally collapse civilization as it had before.
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Oh really? I wasn't aware.
From your quote, you apparently weren't.
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Hey, I'm ecstatic to see articles like this, for just that reason. We're finally getting beyond the denial phase and into the acceptance of reality. Now, we can talk about what we should do about it.

Aaaand this article doesn't offer any solutions. That's all right. It's still good to see we're getting there.
Lol, you know the republicans will flip back to denying the reality of anthropogenic climate change at the drop of a hat.
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Hey, I'm ecstatic to see articles like this, for just that reason. We're finally getting beyond the denial phase and into the acceptance of reality. Now, we can talk about what we should do about it.

Aaaand this article doesn't offer any solutions. That's all right. It's still good to see we're getting there.
Yes I'm pretty moderate in the US response to what WE need to do. Now China and India are a frikken mess.
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Nope, climate change is natural the Earth warms and cools. Also, the theory that it will destroy civilization is a really stupid one. A major ice age wouldn't kill humanity just squash it down to the equator. Other then that hot times have seen flourishing of life not mass extinction.
Yeah.... the majority of the world's population would simply have to move to the equator. No biggie...

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Other then that hot times have seen flourishing of life not mass extinction.
That's not correct. The last time CO2 levels were this high, it resulted in the greatest mass extinction event in history.

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Alarming new study makes today’s climate change more comparable to Earth’s worst mass extinction

The Permian Mass Extinction 251.9 million years ago, otherwise known as “The Great Dying,” was the closest this planet has come to extinguishing all complex life on Earth. Around 90% of all species died out in this single event, a worse toll even than the Cretaceous extinction that wiped out the dinosaurs.

For years the cause of the Permian Mass Extinction has been linked to massive volcanic eruptions in Siberia. Volcanic CO2 and a cocktail of noxious gasses combined with burning coal and geothermally-baked methane emissions to enact a combination of toxic effects and, most importantly, ocean acidification and global warming. It led to a world where equatorial regions and the tropics were too hot for complex life to survive. That’s a fact so astonishing it bears repeating: global warming led to a large portion of planet Earth being lethally hot on land and in the oceans! The cascading extinctions in ecosystems across the planet unfolded over 61,000 years, and it took 10 million years for the planet to recover! For comparison, our distant ancestors separated from apes only 7 million years ago.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Lee-...an-Dating.html
I would agree that humanity won't see complete and utter collapse because of climate change. Actual climate scientists aren't really predicting that anyway. Just that it could be massively expensive and force a great deal of mitigation effort to continue the quality of life we currently have.
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