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Old 05-18-2014, 08:31 PM  
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Walter Rapes the Chiefs Draft

Don't agree with the Murray pick as I believe it was a complete piss away of a selection at a position that wasn't needing a pick in the first place. Murray will not even lead a team deep into the preseason, let alone the post season.

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NFL Draft Team Grade: C- Grade

Goals Entering the 2014 NFL Draft: The Chiefs are missing a second-round pick, so they want to move down more than anything. Their aim is to do so and then grab a guard like Xavier Su'a-Filo or Joel Bitonio. After that, they have to use some selections on the receiving corps and secondary. Getting some help in the front seven and on the defensive line is another goal.

2014 NFL Draft Accomplishments: I get the feeling that the Chiefs spent more time trying to trade their pick rather than deciding whom they were going take. They let the clock run down because they were desperate to move out of the No. 23 spot, but they couldn't do anything and panicked, taking Dee Ford off the board. That was a dreadful selection; not only was Ford deemed a reach by teams we've spoken to, but he didn't even fill a need. There are members of Kansas City's organization who don't even like the pick. It was that bad.

The Chiefs redeemed themselves a bit with Phillip Gaines in the third round. Gaines is a tall, athletic, talented cornerback, who could start once Brandon Flowers is dealt. Taking Aaron Murray in the fifth frame was also a solid move, but once again, Kansas City had to redeem itself because of a reach - which was De'Anthony Thomas in the previous round.

Kansas City unquestionably came away with one of the worst classes this year. It made multiple reaches and failed to address most of its glaring needs. That's not how teams are supposed to draft.

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23. Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn: D Grade
Ugh. The Chiefs have not been drafting well in this new regime. Their class last year was Eric Fisher (who struggled), Travis Kelce, Knile Davis and Nico Johnson. They dealt this year's second for mediocre Alex Smith. And now they're taking a second-round prospect who fills a minimal need. Things are not looking very bright in Kansas City.

There's no doubt that Ford is a reach. The Chiefs could have moved down and still picked him. Ford also won't start anytime soon with Tamba Hali and Justin Houston in front of him. This is the worst pick of the first round thus far, but at least it's not on a Millen level.

87. Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice: A- Grade
There's talk that the Chiefs could trade Brandon Flowers, so it makes sense that they spent a mid-round selection on a cornerback. Phillip Gaines didn't get any national attention because he played at Rice, but he was terrific, albeit against inferior competition. He's also very athletic, so it wouldn't surprise me if he emerged as a solid starter down the road.

124. De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon: C+ Grade
Wow. This is a couple of rounds earlier than De'Anthony Thomas was expected to go, but the Oregon play-maker should be a good weapon for Alex Smith. Kansas City's quarterback can't throw deep, so he'll need another target to dump the ball off to. Thomas also serves as a needed backup for Jamaal Charles, a need created by Knile Davis' injury.

163. Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia: A Grade
Nice. Alex Smith cannot lead the Chiefs deep into the playoffs, but perhaps Aaron Murray will be able to. Murray would have gone much earlier had he not torn his ACL, so Kansas City is getting a steal and perhaps its future starting quarterback. This is an awesome pick in the fifth round.

193. Zach Fulton, G, Tennessee: B Grade
It's a shock that the Chiefs waited this long for a guard, as I was told that the position was under consideration in the first round. Zach Fulton fits the range though, so no complaints.

200. Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, OT/G, McGill: A- Grade
There was some buzz about Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, and some even thought he could go as high as the fourth round. The Canadian could eventually compete for the right tackle job.
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:05 AM   #46
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Who does? He's Kyle Orton with less zip and less ints
Let's see.

Kyle Orton is a statue who makes poor decisions when pressured.

Alex Smith is a mobile QB who can make plays with both his arm and his legs when pressured, and he makes good decisions.

Yep, same guy.
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Old 05-21-2014, 11:06 AM   #47
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The only thing that has turned some of CP against Alex is his agent. Most of us thought a team friendly deal would've been struck by now. Since it hasn't, some are questioning his decisions.

If he was locked up for the next 3 years at $15m or less per year everyone on here would be ecstatic.
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:00 PM   #48
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100% agree with his take on Dee Ford and Aaron Murray. I couldn't have said it any better than that.
After reading Walter's review and then seeing you agree with him, I can now officially say I haven't felt better about Dee Ford being our first pick thus far.
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Old 05-22-2014, 11:55 AM   #49
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"But he didn't even fill a need"!!!!

Why anyone would think this team is still in "win now"( despite the usual GM-speak that everyone of them will parrot ad-nauseum ) is completely beyond me. That ship has sailed.
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Old 05-22-2014, 12:51 PM   #50
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"But he didn't even fill a need"!!!!

Why anyone would think this team is still in "win now"( despite the usual GM-speak that everyone of them will parrot ad-nauseum ) is completely beyond me. That ship has sailed.
Having a legitimate 3rd OLB pass rushing option does fill a need though. Zombo is replacement level and Dez Moses is.... yikes.

If Dee Ford shakes out to be more than the 1.2 sacks/season of production that Zombo roughly is, then it addresses a need and looks to be a decent pick to build for the future.

Even though he's a third rounder, Gaines could push Parker out of the fourth CB spot. Now, this isn't exactly a win-now move unless Parker becomes a free safety but if that does happen and Phillip gets over a tackle/game then it's a win-now move and builds for the future once Flowers gets jettisoned... which seems probable.
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Old 05-22-2014, 01:03 PM   #51
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Having a legitimate 3rd OLB pass rushing option does fill a need though. Zombo is replacement level and Dez Moses is.... yikes.

If Dee Ford shakes out to be more than the 1.2 sacks/season of production that Zombo roughly is, then it addresses a need and looks to be a decent pick to build for the future.

Even though he's a third rounder, Gaines could push Parker out of the fourth CB spot. Now, this isn't exactly a win-now move unless Parker becomes a free safety but if that does happen and Phillip gets over a tackle/game then it's a win-now move and builds for the future once Flowers gets jettisoned... which seems probable.
Wouldn't another team have to absorb a fairly substantial contract at this point?
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Wouldn't another team have to absorb a fairly substantial contract at this point?
Next season.
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Next season.
Eh, time marches on.
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Old 05-22-2014, 02:51 PM   #54
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I am confident that the Chiefs and Alex will still come to a cap friendly deal probably in the neighborhood of 14-15 million. Thats a fair price for a starting QB and still give the team cap space to keep talent around him. The 49ers are going to be raped by Kaepernick and their team talent will suffer as a result. I'm sorry but unless you're Tom Brady or Peyton Manning 20 million is too much for these young QBs who really haven't proved anything. And even if they do win a Superbowl once should they really be making 18-20 million when they can't afford to keep the rest of the team together. I like Alex but if he wants more than $15 million let him walk. Start working on Murry and get him ready to take over in 2015 if it comes to that.
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Old 05-22-2014, 03:20 PM   #55
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If you're going to tell me Dee Ford doesn't fill a need, then I'm going to tell you you shouldn't be doing analysis on any ****ing NFL team.
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Old 05-22-2014, 03:24 PM   #56
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And even if they do win a Superbowl once should they really be making 18-20 million when they can't afford to keep the rest of the team together.
If they win a Super Bowl who gives a shit what they get paid.
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Walterfootball's shit is getting pathetic.

From their 2015 mock draft...
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The Chiefs could use more talent at cornerback. Dunta Robinson was a big disappointment, and they need a long-term complement to Brandon Flowers. Sources have told me that Philip Gaines was a reach in Round 3.

Williams (6-0, 190) had an excellent debut as a starter in 2013. He was the Defensive MVP of the BCS National Championship Game as he had seven tackles and a critical fourth-quarter interception that helped spark Florida State's comeback win. The first-year starter totaled 35 tackles with seven passes broken up and three interceptions for the season.
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Old 05-22-2014, 04:03 PM   #58
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Umm.... Walter....?

There are reports that Philly traded down and planned to take Dee Ford at #26. Also that Atlanta was trying to trade into taking Ford. Maybe he was a reach. But saying they could have traded down and taken him is complete baloney.

And Dee Ford does fill an eventual need. I seriously can't believe how many people actually believe that the best strategy is to pigeonhole ourselves to a few positions if they actually think they have a playmaker.

Maybe he was a reach. I don't know. I'm not going to say either way. But Walter's reasons for hating this pick are mostly idiotic.
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Umm.... Walter....?

There are reports that Philly traded down and planned to take Dee Ford at #26. Also that Atlanta was trying to trade into taking Ford. Maybe he was a reach. But saying they could have traded down and taken him is complete baloney.

And Dee Ford does fill an eventual need. I seriously can't believe how many people actually believe that the best strategy is to pigeonhole ourselves to a few positions if they actually think they have a playmaker.

Maybe he was a reach. I don't know. I'm not going to say either way. But Walter's reasons for hating this pick are mostly idiotic.
I find it funny that guys who bang the "everything predraft is smokescreen" drum ever year, have no problem believing "reports" that come out damn near every year - the player we took was coveted by someone else.

Everything you hear before the draft? Bullshit.

Everything you hear after the draft? Gospel.
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Old 05-22-2014, 04:14 PM   #60
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Walterfootball's shit is getting pathetic.

From their 2015 mock draft...
He's become laughable.

He gives the Gaines pick an A-, but then follows it up with "sources tell me that was a reach."

Way to put your balls on the line, Walt. So you loved the pick, but some dickhead freelancer that you talk to says it was a reach so that's gospel?

**** off.
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