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Old 05-20-2014, 04:26 PM  
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Legal marijuana created thousands of jobs in Colorado

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Marijuana dispensaries characterize it as a bit of a gold rush: the sudden swarm of thousands of people from in and out of Colorado trying to get into the state's new recreational marijuana industry.

"Everybody's expanding right now," Elan Nelson, business consultant for Medicine Man, one of the largest marijuana shops in Denver. "Really, we're just trying to keep up with demand."

Since retail sales of recreational marijuana began in January, the state has seen a small boom in jobs. The Marijuana Industry Group (MIG) estimates there are currently about 10,000 people directly involved with marijuana, with 1,000 to 2,000 joining in the past few months and more expected as high demand for recreational marijuana continues. MIG says it's hard to separate how many of those 10,000 jobs are tied to recreational marijuana and which are exclusively on the medical side, but at least a few thousand jobs came during and after the preparation and start of recreational sales.

In total, the industry makes up only about 0.4 percent of all employment in a state with more than 2.6 million jobs. But these are thousands of people who could otherwise find themselves on the unemployment line. And for Colorado, they're revenue-generating jobs that might not have existed at all if the state didn't allow recreational or medical pot.

The estimate also doesn't include other groups indirectly involved in the industry, including construction workers, accountants, plumbers, electricians, and attorneys. And it leaves out restaurants and other businesses who might benefit from out-of-state visitors going into Colorado to try out legal marijuana.

The marijuana industry doesn't expect its growth to slow any time soon. And there's good reason for that: at least during the first three months of retail sales, marijuana revenue grew from $14 million a month to $19 million a month.

t the same time, Colorado's economy is showing other positive signs of growth both a good sign for marijuana businesses and an indication that pot isn't scaring away others, despite previous warnings from business leaders. The state's estimated unemployment rate in April was 6 percent, down from 6.2 percent in March and 6.9 percent the year before.

"I don't think we're all of that, but I think we're playing a role," says Mike Elliott, executive director of the MIG.


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Old 05-22-2014, 03:47 PM   #76
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Yes, I just don't think there are enough hard drug users to make up for mj arrests (since mj arrests are the largest category of drug arrests).
I agree but I think we'll find that MJ arrests are a proxy arrest.

Basically, a vast majority of the people going to prison for MJ are actual criminals beyond MJ use. The person who is simply an MJ user is not likely to get arrested and certainly not likely to be incarcerated. It happens but I'd wager it is rare.

All just guesswork at this point.. which is why I'd love to see the hard data after all this shakes out over time.
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Old 05-22-2014, 03:50 PM   #77
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wrt to the costs that can be saved by decriminalizing pot:

$9B is spent annually by law enforcement/courts/prisons/parole/probation for pot offenders.
Yes but as I just posted... these very well could be proxy charges that are a convenient way to prosecute people. A certain percentage of those people are simply MJ users and do not deserve to be criminalized but I doubt that % is very high. Well they're all high but you know what I mean...
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Old 05-22-2014, 03:59 PM   #78
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Nope. It was originally drafted on hemp paper which was 90%of paper at the time. Hence written on hemp.
But transcribed as a copy on parchment.

Once again your ability to communicate in the English language fails badly.

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The Constitution was written on hemp!
"The Constitution" means THE ****ING CONSTITUTION, not a draft.

For a strict constructionist, you sure don't use the English language well, or strictly construe anything when it ****s you to do so.
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Old 05-22-2014, 04:06 PM   #79
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Are you ****ing retarded?

Yes, recreational pot began being sold on January 1st. That means the hiring and everything associated with it would have been done prior to January 1st.
Typically, businesses don't hire anyone until the day they open their doors to the public.

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Old 05-22-2014, 05:30 PM   #80
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wrt to the costs that can be saved by decriminalizing pot:

$9B is spent annually by law enforcement/courts/prisons/parole/probation for pot offenders.
I hope you're aware those enforcement provisions provide a lot of jobs. What happens when those go away? The prison industrial complex provides many many jobs and their stakeholders like the status quo

If they go, they're replaced by other pursuits. And right back to my point: a simple spending shift in the economy
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Old 05-22-2014, 05:34 PM   #81
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Yes but as I just posted... these very well could be proxy charges that are a convenient way to prosecute people. A certain percentage of those people are simply MJ users and do not deserve to be criminalized but I doubt that % is very high. Well they're all high but you know what I mean...
True. As for jobs, all that matters is net. The only way Col could net out in any substantial way would be for the state to serve as an economic magnet for pot. Since pot isn't difficult to acquire anywhere in the US, no consumer gains an advantage spending travel money/time going there.


I'd bet 99% of visitors to the stores thus far are current Col residents.
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Old 05-22-2014, 07:33 PM   #82
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True. As for jobs, all that matters is net. The only way Col could net out in any substantial way would be for the state to serve as an economic magnet for pot. Since pot isn't difficult to acquire anywhere in the US, no consumer gains an advantage spending travel money/time going there.
This isn't entirely true. As others have pointed out, GROWING pot is a job that is being brought back to Colorado as opposed to Mexico or elsewhere. While I doubt it is a substantial net it is still a net.

Overall I see this as the same old pot advocate exaggeration. POT CURES CANCER! POT PUT A MAN ON THE MOON! POT BROUGHT ABOUT WORLD PEACE!!! Come on you dopey stoners... stick to realistic claims and we might take you seriously.
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Old 05-22-2014, 07:40 PM   #83
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I hope you're aware those enforcement provisions provide a lot of jobs. What happens when those go away? The prison industrial complex provides many many jobs and their stakeholders like the status quo

If they go, they're replaced by other pursuits. And right back to my point: a simple spending shift in the economy
I am pretty sure that the prison system is a net drain on the economy of the nation.
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Old 05-22-2014, 08:08 PM   #84
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I am pretty sure that the prison system is a net drain on the economy of the nation.
You assume the cost of these shitballs loose and unsupervised is less than keeping scum in cells? Thats pretty ignorant.
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Old 05-22-2014, 08:33 PM   #85
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I am pretty sure that the prison system is a net drain on the economy of the nation.
What about the lost productivity caused by an increase in pot consumption?
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Old 05-22-2014, 09:54 PM   #86
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What about the lost productivity caused by an increase in pot consumption?
What about the lost productivity of sticking non-violent "criminals" in a cell? What about the future lost productivity since that person now has felon on their background check and can't get a good job and use their talents to their fullest?

What about the fact that the vast majority of drug users are completely functional and responsible? What about the fact that despite the trillion plus spent on the drug war has not moved addiction rates one iota? What about the fact that despite the drug war the price of drugs has gone down? What about the almost total destruction of the 4th amendment and right to privacy due to the drug war? What about the lost productivity due to the cash seized under laws like structuring?

What about the lost productivity from sick people whom certain illegal drugs can help?

What about the fact that if I own my own body, I should be able to ingest any substance that I wish?

We can play lots of what abouts. I have a feeling mine trump yours.
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Old 05-22-2014, 10:02 PM   #87
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You assume the cost of these shitballs loose and unsupervised is less than keeping scum in cells? Thats pretty ignorant.
are we including marijuana-related offenders in the shitball category?
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:03 AM   #88
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You assume the cost of these shitballs loose and unsupervised is less than keeping scum in cells? Thats pretty ignorant.
Do enlighten us with your educated comparison that you no doubt possess since you feel compelled to call another ignorant. Or explain to me how all crimes are equal therefore creating equal scum?
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Old 05-23-2014, 05:56 AM   #89
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You assume the cost of these shitballs loose and unsupervised is less than keeping scum in cells? Thats pretty ignorant.
Same thing I just posted:

The United States has more people in prison than any nation on earth. We have the highest relapse rate for criminals in the world.

If those two facts don't make you think our criminal justice system is broken, I dunno what to tell you. You live in a myopic bubble if that's the case. There are billions of dollars in lost productivity sitting in prison.

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This isn't entirely true. As others have pointed out, GROWING pot is a job that is being brought back to Colorado as opposed to Mexico or elsewhere. While I doubt it is a substantial net it is still a net.

Overall I see this as the same old pot advocate exaggeration. POT CURES CANCER! POT PUT A MAN ON THE MOON! POT BROUGHT ABOUT WORLD PEACE!!! Come on you dopey stoners... stick to realistic claims and we might take you seriously.
Hemp can be used to make paper and grows 15 times faster than trees thus making it a valuable renewable resource.

Can anyone give one VALID reason why it should not be grown? Instead we import it from Canada...
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