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Old 05-21-2014, 02:53 PM  
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Have you heard about the North Carolina Fracking Bill?

http://www.southernstudies.org/2014/...isclosing.html

It makes it a crime to disclose what chemicals are pumped into the ground during fracking, under the guise of "trade secrets." A ****ing crime.

Major WTF moment, IMHO.

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North Carolina's legislature convened last week, and lawmakers introduced a bill that brings the state one step closer to allowing oil and gas drilling.

One aspect of the Energy Modernization Act (SB 786) that's gotten considerable attention is the provision that would make it a Class I felony for someone to intentionally disclose chemicals in fracking fluids that are classified as trade secrets. A conviction of this lowest-level felony could bring civil fines and several months in prison.

The bill requires the state geologist in the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) to serve as the custodian of trade secrets, including ingredients in fracking fluid. It allows information about such secrets to be disclosed only to emergency responders, health care providers dealing with emergencies, and federal and state agencies that need the information to carry out their functions.
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Old 05-21-2014, 02:58 PM   #2
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What the frack
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:04 PM   #3
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that sounds fracked
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:07 PM   #4
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Fracking crazy.
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:09 PM   #5
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Oil and gas companys have deep pockets.

Plenty of space for all of the politicians hands.
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:13 PM   #6
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Oil and gas companys have deep pockets.

Plenty of space for all of the politicians hands.
Big time.

But I think this pushes the envelop more than a bit too far.
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:19 PM   #7
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It's a crime for most trade secrets.

If a company expends resources to more efficiently extract natural gas, why should their competitors have access to that hard won innovation?

Or worse yet competing nations?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1832

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped...q-29099-6.html
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:28 PM   #8
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:36 PM   #9
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Big time.

But I think this pushes the envelop more than a bit too far.
Then they'd basically have to disallow the drilling altogether, I think.
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:51 PM   #10
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It's a crime for most trade secrets.

If a company expends resources to more efficiently extract natural gas, why should their competitors have access to that hard won innovation?

Or worse yet competing nations?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1832

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped...q-29099-6.html
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(a) Whoever, with intent to convert a trade secret, that is related to a product or service used in or intended for use in interstate or foreign commerce, to the economic benefit of anyone other than the owner thereof, and intending or knowing that the offense will, injure any owner of that trade secret, knowingly—
Isn't that the key difference? If you blow the whistle on a company because it is pumping carcinogins (sp?) into the ground, that's not exactly the same as stealing and selling the plans to the next generation of mouse traps.
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:52 PM   #11
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Then they'd basically have to disallow the drilling altogether, I think.
Not understanding you. This is about hiding information.
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Old 05-21-2014, 04:01 PM   #12
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Isn't that the key difference? If you blow the whistle on a company because it is pumping carcinogins (sp?) into the ground, that's not exactly the same as stealing and selling the plans to the next generation of mouse traps.
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The bill requires the state geologist in the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) to serve as the custodian of trade secrets, including ingredients in fracking fluid. It allows information about such secrets to be disclosed only to emergency responders, health care providers dealing with emergencies, and federal and state agencies that need the information to carry out their functions.
Government oversight, not the wild west of the internet. Isn't the government who you'd be whistleblowing to anyway?
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Old 05-21-2014, 04:03 PM   #13
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Not understanding you. This is about hiding information.
Why would they have to allow someone to disclose trade secrets if the state has decided that the process is legal?
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Old 05-21-2014, 04:06 PM   #14
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Government oversight, not the wild west of the internet. Isn't the government who you'd be whistleblowing to anyway?
Suppose you're just a resident of the area and want the information so you decide if you want to oppose the operation or even move out of the area? Shouldn't you be entitled to know what they are putting into the ground?

And I would guess you would be whistleblowing to the press, since the government appears to already be in their pocket.
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Old 05-21-2014, 04:08 PM   #15
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Why would they have to allow someone to disclose trade secrets if the state has decided that the process is legal?
So John Q. Citizen who lives in the area can make his own determination as to whether he wants to protect himself and his family?
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