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Old 05-21-2014, 06:54 PM  
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Obama and the VA

Ive been pretty busy running my business but this thing has even gotten coverage on KC radio news. Whats the story and why is Obama saying he is mad?
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Old 05-22-2014, 07:51 PM   #31
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I was busy as hell today. Great day taking care of customers. But no time to check on this stuff. Last I heard last night before I went to bed was Obama was gonna meet with his VA guy and let him know he was mad.

Did they meet? Did the VA guy get an ass chewing? Did Obama get in his face? What?
Obama said something about a red line, so nothing will happen
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Old 05-22-2014, 07:51 PM   #32
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How the **** can Shinseki still have a job? Oh wait, if you're employed by the biggest POS to ever hold the presidency failure is rewarded.

The only other answer is health care administered by the government has proven to be a complete failure. Take your pick.
You don't understand the perverse incentive. The goal of the bureaucracy is to expand the bureaucracy and get a bigger budget.

In government, nothing does both like failure. I am willing to be that the VA will get a bigger budget and probably a new department focused on making sure the VA delivers quality care.

In other words, in the perverse incentive environment of government bureaucracy, Shinseki is successful.
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Old 05-22-2014, 07:53 PM   #33
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How the **** can Shinseki still have a job? Oh wait, if you're employed by the biggest POS to ever hold the presidency failure is rewarded.
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Old 05-22-2014, 07:57 PM   #34
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and that makes this okay how?

Sorry but tu quoque is a fallacy.
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Old 05-22-2014, 07:58 PM   #35
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and that makes this okay how?

Sorry but tu quoque is a fallacy.
Somebody mentioned a POS rewarding failure. It seemed relevant.
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Old 05-22-2014, 08:00 PM   #36
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These people are in charge of the VA? One guy looks like President Bush. He hasn't been President for a while. Is the other guy Shisinski or whatever his name is?
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Old 05-22-2014, 08:22 PM   #37
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Obama=Bush. Well played, you should text that giant lip Wasserman to run on that.
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Old 05-22-2014, 08:33 PM   #38
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These people are in charge of the VA? One guy looks like President Bush. He hasn't been President for a while. Is the other guy Shisinski or whatever his name is?
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Obama=Bush. Well played, you should text that giant lip Wasserman to run on that.
Somebody mentioned a POS rewarding failure. It seemed relevant.
Someone around here needs to help keep things in perspective.
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Old 05-22-2014, 08:36 PM   #39
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Somebody mentioned a POS rewarding failure. It seemed relevant.
Someone around here needs to help keep things in perspective.
Cool, so again you're on record in your mind as admitting Obama is POS. You're coming around.
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Old 05-22-2014, 08:58 PM   #40
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Somebody mentioned a POS rewarding failure. It seemed relevant.
Someone around here needs to help keep things in perspective.
So what about the original question. Bush has nothing to do with the VA. Has Obama gotten this thing in order? What has he done?
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Old 05-22-2014, 09:07 PM   #41
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The VA is a single payer system.
well i guess in the sense that the government pays for the health care but it is delivered by va employees which sets it apart from medicare, medicaid, and private insurance (obamacare or not)...

so, to me, it is socialized medicine because the government both pays for and delivers the services (a lot like canada)...
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Old 05-22-2014, 09:18 PM   #42
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well i guess in the sense that the government pays for the health care but it is delivered by va employees which sets it apart from medicare, medicaid, and private insurance (obamacare or not)...

so, to me, it is socialized medicine because the government both pays for and delivers the services (a lot like canada)...
Quick question for you. Who would you say has better health care the US or Canada?
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Old 05-22-2014, 09:19 PM   #43
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So what about the original question. Bush has nothing to do with the VA. Has Obama gotten this thing in order? What has he done?
The problem was there under Bush, no question. Obama was warned about the problem when he was sworn in. His answer was to just throw money at the VA. The takeaway here is government involvement in basic services is not better than what the free market might make available.
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Old 05-22-2014, 09:23 PM   #44
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well i guess in the sense that the government pays for the health care but it is delivered by va employees which sets it apart from medicare, medicaid, and private insurance (obamacare or not)...

so, to me, it is socialized medicine because the government both pays for and delivers the services (a lot like canada)...
Understood, but a single payer health care system will be no different. Politicians and their fundraisers will have more say than a free market health care system.
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Old 05-22-2014, 09:31 PM   #45
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Quick question for you. Who would you say has better health care the US or Canada?
depends on what criteria you're using...

in terms of cutting edge medical technology and innovation, definitely the us...

in terms of providing health care to the entire population, particularly the poor, and in terms of outcome vs. costs, it's canada...
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