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Old 05-21-2014, 06:54 PM  
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Obama and the VA

Ive been pretty busy running my business but this thing has even gotten coverage on KC radio news. Whats the story and why is Obama saying he is mad?
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Old 05-22-2014, 10:05 PM   #61
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no, but i'm beginning to wonder if i'm speaking some foreign language in this thread...

maybe i should try hebrew or something...
I guess it was already understood when it came to life saving research in every field the world looks to to us and those costs trickle down to the masses.
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Old 05-22-2014, 10:08 PM   #62
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i dunno, some tearing down of regulatory walls have not been very rewarding...

relaxation of banking regulation during the clinton years led to the financial crisis of 2008 (if not the primary cause it was certainly a major contributing factor)...
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Old 05-22-2014, 10:10 PM   #63
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I guess it was already understood when it came to life saving research in every field the world looks to to us and those costs trickle down to the masses.
i don't think i questioned that...

maybe i should just stop while i'm behind and go smoke a bowl...
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Old 05-22-2014, 10:18 PM   #64
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i dunno, some tearing down of regulatory walls have not been very rewarding...

relaxation of banking regulation during the clinton years led to the financial crisis of 2008 (if not the primary cause it was certainly a major contributing factor)...
There were a lot of reasons for the financial crisis. Future crises will be worse because the government established the precedent of bailing out businesses if they are politically connected enough. That is a perverse incentive to take on greater amounts of risk. The repealing of Glass-Steagall had little to do with it.

People think that the bust is what is a bug in the capitalist system. Its not, its important. Busts correct malinvestment. Busts destroy companies that took on to much risk, were not competitive enough, or had bad business models. Those resources from those companies can then be reallocated to companies that were more prudent, more competitive, or have better business models. Busts also free up resources for people to create new businesses and drive innovation. If allowed to bottom out, busts are very painful but short.
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Old 05-22-2014, 10:21 PM   #65
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let's laugh it off?

seriously, that's what you got from my post?

and i don't think i made any statement at all about not holding anyone responsible, are you actually reading my posts?
Yes. Thats ok. You will have your criteria. After all, the VA does a great job with some. Thats the criteria you prefer to use.
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Old 05-22-2014, 10:28 PM   #66
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yes, the va does a great job with some, and i would say most...

that still doesn't equate with me not wanting to hold officials accountable or that there isn't much that needs to be done, and as soon as possible...

am i speaking in french or something?
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I was busy as hell today. Great day taking care of customers. But no time to check on this stuff. Last I heard last night before I went to bed was Obama was gonna meet with his VA guy and let him know he was mad.

Did they meet? Did the VA guy get an ass chewing? Did Obama get in his face? What?
General Shinseki is mad as hell. But don't worry, Obama won't be outdone. He's madder than hell.
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:16 AM   #68
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General Shinseki is mad as hell. But don't worry, Obama won't be outdone. He's madder than hell.
shinseki needs to go...

fwiw, i would try to get a republican governor or congressman to take the job to minimize the political bullshit and actually make the changes so desperately needed...
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Old 05-23-2014, 05:57 AM   #69
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shinseki needs to go...

fwiw, i would try to get a republican governor or congressman to take the job to minimize the political bullshit and actually make the changes so desperately needed...
Katheyln Sebelies is free. How about her?
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The no accountability crowd will be happy to know Bernie Sanders and Senate Dems are on your side. http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/ma...Nm2Cs.facebook
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The no accountability crowd will be happy to know Bernie Sanders and Senate Dems are on your side. http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/ma...Nm2Cs.facebook
ya,**** that clown. nice job Sanders, now go shoot yourself Bernie
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Katheyln Sebelies is free. How about her?
last i checked she was a democrat, so no...

also, given the web site's failures, she wouldn't exactly be persuasive when it comes to getting congress to make necessary changes to the va system...
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ya,**** that clown. nice job Sanders, now go shoot yourself Bernie
i dunno, bernie is kinda cute in his own way...
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last i checked she was a democrat, so no...

also, given the web site's failures, she wouldn't exactly be persuasive when it comes to getting congress to make necessary changes to the va system...
But Obama can..
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One of the biggest (if not the biggest) issue facing the VA is mental health. If you have ever called a VA, mental health is the first thing they talk about.

The problem is that the staff are too overworked and the funding is limited. With limited funds, the only way I know of increasing patient contact would be to bring in cheaper workers such as mid level providers and resident physicians. The government can also be more open minded about novel treatments of mental health by using things like cannabis, LSD, MDMA, and psylobicin.
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