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Old 05-22-2014, 09:33 PM  
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What's better since the Democrats took power in 2008?

I'll start with the stock market. My investments in big corporations are doing well.

Name your own. Go.
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Old 05-27-2014, 05:07 PM   #121
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The whole second sentence.
The entire premise of trickle down is that increases in corporate wealth well lead to companies raising wages and hiring.

When corporate profits are at all times highs and nothing trickle down proponents predicted would happen actually happened, then we get to call it a failure.

Bonus points when republicans, in their obamaderangement syndrome, point these things out without understanding they are mocking their own economic theories on job creation.
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Old 05-27-2014, 05:08 PM   #122
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Sure, Bush owns the details, but the decision to be there was fully supported by Democrats, many of whom wondered why Afghanistan was a sideshow compared to Iraq, thinking that was bass-ackwards.
Yes, I agree.
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Old 05-27-2014, 05:11 PM   #123
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Whether the aftermath was mismanaged or not, the fact remains that by the end of the Bush administration we had gained the upper hand and pacified the insurgency only to see it all squandered by the Obama administration's bungling of the follow through.
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Which part?
The "Whether the aftermath was mismanaged or not" part? That was a pretty good part.
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Old 05-27-2014, 05:17 PM   #124
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You're insane.

I do recall the BK references though, which I thought was a bit much coming from someone who digs ditches for a living.
No I am not. Austin tossed out the fact that you joined in 2002 & that you were a minor at that time IIRC 14?
& should have been axed
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Old 05-27-2014, 05:18 PM   #125
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Which part?
The "Whether the aftermath was mismanaged or not" part? That was a pretty good part.
Well, yea, that part.

Then there is the whole mythical reality where things were fine, or "pacified" , until Jan. 2009 when Obama took over.

Who withdrew based on Bush's plan. Which totally screwed things up. Because Obama.
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Old 05-27-2014, 05:21 PM   #126
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No I am not. Austin tossed out the fact that you joined in 2002 & that you were a minor at that time IIRC 14?
& should have been axed
Hilarious stuff. I almost hate to end it by asking for--LINK?
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Old 05-27-2014, 05:22 PM   #127
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Hilarious stuff. I almost hate to end it by asking for--LINK?
I have know idea how to dig that far back. but i'm sure Austin remembers it
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Old 05-27-2014, 05:25 PM   #128
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I don't recall that.
I didn't post because my parents saw the girly picture thread and put CP on the list of restricted sites that I wasn't allowed to use without supervision.
Why dig through Austins post's,when you just posted this?

Mommy & daddy caught me jacking off in the Girly pics thread & I wasn't allowed back on CP without supervision
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Old 05-27-2014, 05:28 PM   #129
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Why dig through Austins post's,when you just posted this?

Mommy & daddy caught me jacking off in the Girly pics thread & I wasn't allowed back on CP without supervision
Are you laughing at responsible parenting?
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Old 05-27-2014, 05:28 PM   #130
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Old 05-27-2014, 05:36 PM   #131
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Are you laughing at responsible parenting?
You're very observant,, dumb-one
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Old 05-27-2014, 06:24 PM   #132
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It was. Your political party preferences surely can't render you so blind that you can't see that. If you can't agree on this, then any discussion on Iraq with you is hopeless.
I don't think that's important to the point I was making. That's why I said "whether [it was] or not".

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So you say. There are lot of factors involved there, and I'm not sure that "pacification" was anything more than the insurgents waiting and seeing how things went with the US election before ramping things up again, etc.

I haven't paid much attention to Iraq lately, but I'm not sure Bush, Obama, Solomon, or anyone could really "fix" that place. The Sunni/Shi'a fight goes back just a TAD before the existence of the United States, after all, and that is the heart of the violence and political headaches there.

OTOH, US soldiers aren't dying there anymore, and as far as I know nobody there is threatening US interests, and the oil is flowing, so AFAIK things aren't TOO bad there. That said, I haven't paid much attention to the situation there lately.

Of course, your fundamental view of the world is that we can go in, kick ass, and reshape things to precisely how WE want it, at the point of a gun, and since it's not precisely how WE want it (another Ramstein airbase, no doubt, in the middle of the Middle East, exerting US military power into that entire region), then I'm sure you view everything as a dismal failure since Cheney left office.

Note, btw, that BushCo had an INCREDIBLY long period of time to get things the way they wanted. If you don't like what we're left with, maybe they shouldn't have ****ed up so bad and for so long.
We, along with our Iraqi allies, had control of the country when American foreign policy was handed off to Obama. Now, after failing to work out an agreement with Baghdad, we're essentially gone and al Qaeda is back on the rise. If you want to embrace our retreat under Obama, then embrace it, but don't blame Bush for the consequences.

Of course, your fundamental view of the world is that when it comes to the Iraqis, they're savages who can't possibly desire civilization and, when it comes to the US military, if a conflict lasts longer than a couple of years, it's hopeless.
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Old 05-27-2014, 06:32 PM   #133
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...and, when it comes to the US military, if a conflict lasts longer than a couple of years, it's hopeless.
Exactly how most Americans feel as well. They do not support our troops being in a place long term or long endless wars. So words like "cakewalk" had to be used to gain their support. Of course, an incident like 9/11 was also needed to take advantage of a crisis instead of wasting it, by exploiting the fear and hysteria that naturally follow such an event.

This is pretty much normal operating procedure for politicians to do what they wanted to do anyway before hand.
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The entire premise of trickle down is that increases in corporate wealth well lead to companies raising wages and hiring.

When corporate profits are at all times highs and nothing trickle down proponents predicted would happen actually happened, then we get to call it a failure.

Bonus points when republicans, in their obamaderangement syndrome, point these things out without understanding they are mocking their own economic theories on job creation.
No, that's not the premise of supply side economics. The premise is that lowering the burdens on supply (i.e. taxes and regulation associated with production and capital formation) will enable greater growth and lead to lower prices on the product of that production, relative to that which would occur in a higher regulation, higher tax environment.

And high prices levels in the stock market and high corporate profits prove nothing about whether it works or not. Particularly after 5 years of increasing burdens on supply.
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No, that's not the premise of supply side economics. The premise is that lowering the burdens on supply (i.e. taxes and regulation associated with production and capital formation) will enable greater growth and lead to lower prices on the product of that production, relative to that which would occur in a higher regulation, higher tax environment.

And high prices levels in the stock market and high corporate profits prove nothing about whether it works or not. Particularly after 5 years of increasing burdens on supply.
Enable greater growth through higher wages and more jobs.

How convenient of you to leave out that important part of what "greater growth" means.
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