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Here are the Taliban Terrorists Obama Released to Free POW Bowe Bergdahl

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ghanistan.html

In exchange for Army Sgt. Bowe Berghdahl, the U.S. has released five senior Taliban commanders from the Guantanamo Bay prison. They are considered some of the worst of the worst.
The five Guantanamo detainees released by the Obama administration in exchange for America’s last prisoner of war in Afghanistan, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, are bad guys. They are top Taliban commanders the group has tried to free for more than a decade.



According to a 2008 Pentagon dossier on Guantanamo Bay inmates, all five men released were considered to be a high risk to launch attacks against the United States and its allies if they were liberated. The exchange shows that the Obama administration was willing to pay a steep price, indeed, for Bergdahl’s freedom. The administration says they will be transferred to Qatar, which played a key role in the negotiations.

In the initial statements released about the deal, the White House declined to name the detainees who would be leaving the Cuba based prison Obama has been trying to close since his first day in office.

A senior U.S. defense official confirmed Saturday that the prisoners to be released include Mullah Mohammad Fazl, Mullah Norullah Noori, Abdul Haq Wasiq, Khairullah Khairkhwa and Mohammed Nabi Omari.

While not as well known as Guantanamo inmates like 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the Taliban 5 were some of the worst outlaws in the U.S. war on terror. And their release will end up replenishing the diminished leadership ranks of the Afghan Taliban at a moment when the United States is winding down the war there.

“They are undoubtedly among the most dangerous Taliban commanders held at Guantanamo,” said Thomas Joscelyn, a senior editor at the Long War Journal who keeps a close watch on developments concerning the detainees left at the Guantanamo Bay prison.

Fazl, for example, was the Taliban’s former deputy defense minister and is wanted by the United Nations for his role in massacres targeting Afghan’s Shi’ite Muslim population.

According to the 2008 Pentagon’s dossier on Fazl disclosed by Wikileaks (PDF), Noori also was a senior Taliban military figure and, according to his Pentagon dossier, was asked personally in 1995 by Osama bin Laden (PDF) to participate in an offensive against northern alliance warlord Rashid Dostum.

Wasiq, a former deputy minister of intelligence, at one point tried to cooperate with U.S. forces in Afghanistan and asked for a GPS system as well as a special radio to communicate with the U.S. military after the U.S. invasion in 2001. His dossier (PDF) says that he was a crucial liaison between the Taliban and other Islamic fundamentalist groups while he was deputy intelligence minister. But the 2008 report also said he was holding out information he had on other top al Qaeda and Taliban leaders during interrogations.

Khairkhwa, a former Taliban governor of Herat, was considered by the Pentagon’s 2008 dossier to be a likely heroin trafficker (PDF). That dossier also says he likely participated in meetings with Iranian officials after 9-11 to help plot attacks on U.S. forces following the invasion.

Iran has worked in some cases with the government that has replaced the Taliban in Afghanistan, but also has been accused by the U.S. military of supplying the Taliban and other insurgent groups with roadside bombs known as improvised explosive devices of IEDs.

Nabi held several military leadership posts for the Taliban and helped organize the al Qaeda/Taliban militias that fought against U.S. and coalition troops in the first year of the war, according to his Pentagon dossier (PDF).

This week’s secret diplomacy was not the first time the U.S. government had engaged the Taliban in an effort to negotiate a prisoner swap for the release of Bergdahl. In 2011, State Department officials held a series of meetings with Taliban leaders in Doha.

In Congress, there was bipartisan opposition to any release of Guantanamo prisoners. After the negotiations were made public in early 2012 by Sen. Dianne Feinstein the Taliban announced they were pulling out of the talks.

In the summer of 2013, the U.S. attempted a Taliban confidence building measure, the opening of a Taliban representative office in the diplomatic enclave inside Doha, Qatar. Karzai was also mistrustful of that effort and his skepticism was validated when the Taliban violated their agreement with the U.S. and raised their flag at the office’s opening, causing Karzai to have a fit and forcing the U.S. to abandon the deal to keep the Taliban office open.

Talks resumed in late 2013 and the Taliban provided a video proof of life to the U.S. military in December 2013, which had been a condition for the U.S. to continue with the negotiations.

Many in Congress will still be opposed to the swap, but lawmakers gave up their right to stop it. A small change in the Fiscal Year 2014 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which passed last December, now makes it only a requirement that the Defense Secretary notify Congress when releasing Guantanamo prisoners. Before the change, Congressional sign off on any Guantanamo releases would have been needed.

At about 10:30 am eastern standard time, Bergdahl was released from his captors. The handover was peaceful and happened in eastern Afghanistan along the border, according to a senior U.S. Defense official. U.S. special operations forces conducted the rescue.

The official said that once he was on the helicopter, Bergdahl wrote on a paper plate (writing instead of talking because it was so loud) “SF?” The operators sitting with Bergdahl responded loudly, saying, yes, we’ve been looking for you for a long time. Bergdahl broke down crying, the official relayed.

In exchange for Bergdahl’s release, five detainees at Guantanamo Bay will be released to Qatar. The US has “appropriate assurances” that Qatar will be able to secure the detainees there, a U.S. official said. The detainees are under a travel ban for a year.

The transfer took place quickly without incident, peacefully and without violence. There were approximately 18 Taliban on site.

U.S. officials believe Bergdahl had been held for the bulk of his captivity in Pakistan. They’re not sure when he was moved to Afghanistan.

The transfer was not negotiated with the Haqqani network, a network of former Pakistani defense officials and other designated terrorists. Instead it was brokered through the Qatari government.

Bergdahl’s parents happened to be in Washington when the news broke. They had come from their home in Idaho for Memorial Day.

Bergdahl is currently being held at a forward operating base in Afghanistan. He will be there until doctors are ready to let him go, and his next move will be to Bagram only when he’s ready.

The U.S. official praised this operation as a show of interagency cooperation—it was a whole-government effort that he said had been in the works for five years. “We really got traction in the last week but we never lost sight of Bergdahl,” he said.
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:13 PM   #16
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I don't Benghazi is a fake scandal. I do think it's being overplayed by the right. Instead, we should be hearing how going into Libya was another Foreign Policy mistake. The politicians on the right don't go there, because many of them supported it.

Nor do I think the IRS scandal is fake.
'typo'? You don't "think"? Or you do think Benghazi IS a scandal?
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:16 PM   #17
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'typo'? You don't "think"? Or you do think Benghazi IS a scandal?
I don't think it's a fake scandal. It is one. I'm tired of hearing it every day tho. So I think it's being overplayed. This does not mean I don't think Congress shouldn't get to the bottom of it....just tired of hearing it every night.

I think our bombing Libya is a bigger scandal for what it's unleashed in other parts of Africa and Syria. That's the policy failure, imo.
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:23 PM   #18
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:41 PM   #19
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Benghazi is entirely a fake scandal. The right loves to throw a tantrum about 'four dead Americans' but yet they were silent over the Bush doctrine when there were more than a dozen similar attacks on embassies resulting in 60 American deaths. Oh, but there was a Republican in office then, so no scandal.

For those claiming that this is about attributing the attacks to the video, mediamatters(dot)org/blog/2013/05/06/weekly-standard-accidentally-disproves-central/193917
Watch less Fox News. The CIA pushed these talking points to begin with, and at the end of the day, who cares? It's an argument over semantics! Act of Terror is only semantically different than terrorism, and Obama called it an 'Act of Terror' immediately after the attacks. Even if he had not I would not care because they asterisked the entire speech with 'we are still investigating' and 'these are preliminary findings', so if he was wrong, he had the opportunity to revise! This Benghazi outrage is the very definition of a fake scandal.
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:50 PM   #20
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Benghazi is entirely a fake scandal. The right loves to throw a tantrum about 'four dead Americans' but yet they were silent over the Bush doctrine when there were more than a dozen similar attacks on embassies resulting in 60 American deaths. Oh, but there was a Republican in office then, so no scandal.

For those claiming that this is about attributing the attacks to the video, mediamatters(dot)org/blog/2013/05/06/weekly-standard-accidentally-disproves-central/193917
Watch less Fox News. The CIA pushed these talking points to begin with, and at the end of the day, who cares? It's an argument over semantics! Act of Terror is only semantically different than terrorism, and Obama called it an 'Act of Terror' immediately after the attacks. Even if he had not I would not care because they asterisked the entire speech with 'we are still investigating' and 'these are preliminary findings', so if he was wrong, he had the opportunity to revise! This Benghazi outrage is the very definition of a fake scandal.
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Old 06-01-2014, 04:10 PM   #21
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Benghazi is entirely a fake scandal. The right loves to throw a tantrum about 'four dead Americans' but yet they were silent over the Bush doctrine when there were more than a dozen similar attacks on embassies resulting in 60 American deaths. Oh, but there was a Republican in office then, so no scandal.

For those claiming that this is about attributing the attacks to the video, mediamatters(dot)org/blog/2013/05/06/weekly-standard-accidentally-disproves-central/193917
Watch less Fox News. The CIA pushed these talking points to begin with, and at the end of the day, who cares? It's an argument over semantics! Act of Terror is only semantically different than terrorism, and Obama called it an 'Act of Terror' immediately after the attacks. Even if he had not I would not care because they asterisked the entire speech with 'we are still investigating' and 'these are preliminary findings', so if he was wrong, he had the opportunity to revise! This Benghazi outrage is the very definition of a fake scandal.
The scandal isn't that the embassy was attacked. The scandal is that the Obama administration came out and tried to spin the attack as some spur of the moment rioting when it was actually a coordinated planned operation. It was in the administrations best interest in an election year to make it seem like terrorism and Al Qaeda in general was on a downward swing after the strike against Bin Laden. A coordinated planned attack that ended up killing a US ambassador kinda puts that narrative to bed. Hence they blamed it on a spontaneous riot based a youtube video with a thousand views.

I know it takes some basic logical thinking to understand why the scandal is a scandal. Please post your TEAMs talking points elsewhere.
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Old 06-01-2014, 04:33 PM   #22
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i understand what you're saying, i think, but i just don't see it...

what you've described is normal politics and has been since time immemorial...

even if it's true, it still doesn't amount to a hill of shit to most americans (unless i misread the polls - other than fox news polls- which is entirely possible)...

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Not that I'm endorsing or condemning the actions in question, but the USA has been negotiating with terrorists under nearly every Presidential administration.

Part of the Surge strategy in Iraq, after all, was paying off some of the insurgency groups to keep them from attacking us.
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Not that I'm endorsing or condemning the actions in question, but the USA has been negotiating with terrorists under nearly every Presidential administration.

Part of the Surge strategy in Iraq, after all, was paying off some of the insurgency groups to keep them from attacking us.
Yet you do endorse it in this case. So you must endorse it in all cases. Good for you.
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Sure are a lot of questions being avoided on this deal. Did this guy leave his unit and defect? Whats up with his old man doing the Muslim thing and all this garbage with Obama? Did we just give 5 of the most bad ass Taliban up to get a traitor home for another Obama Muslim love in on TV?
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Anything to take the VA off the front page

We will never get any answers from any scandal as long as Holder is in office,

but it does look feel like the wheels are starting to come off of this administration

time to take the money and run boys and girls only 30 months before shit hits the fan!
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Seems there is some contention that Obama broke the law by not notifying congress 30 days prior to the transfer. The law says he is supposed to but Obama says that portion of the law is unconstitutional and he could override it.

Either way this whole thing really is rather ****ed up
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Well, I guess we've found someone with whom our relations have improved, right?

Generally speaking, I have liked Obama domestically, but internationally he has not been very good. This is another example; it seems like a bad idea short term (5 for 1) and long term (incentive for further kidnappings), unless there's more to the story than what I'm reading. If that's the case, now would be a good time to let that out.

I'm happy for Bowe Bergdahl and his family, but that's as far as I go.
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Sure are a lot of questions being avoided on this deal. Did this guy leave his unit and defect? Whats up with his old man doing the Muslim thing and all this garbage with Obama? Did we just give 5 of the most bad ass Taliban up to get a traitor home for another Obama Muslim love in on TV?
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