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Here are the Taliban Terrorists Obama Released to Free POW Bowe Bergdahl

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In exchange for Army Sgt. Bowe Berghdahl, the U.S. has released five senior Taliban commanders from the Guantanamo Bay prison. They are considered some of the worst of the worst.
The five Guantanamo detainees released by the Obama administration in exchange for America’s last prisoner of war in Afghanistan, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, are bad guys. They are top Taliban commanders the group has tried to free for more than a decade.



According to a 2008 Pentagon dossier on Guantanamo Bay inmates, all five men released were considered to be a high risk to launch attacks against the United States and its allies if they were liberated. The exchange shows that the Obama administration was willing to pay a steep price, indeed, for Bergdahl’s freedom. The administration says they will be transferred to Qatar, which played a key role in the negotiations.

In the initial statements released about the deal, the White House declined to name the detainees who would be leaving the Cuba based prison Obama has been trying to close since his first day in office.

A senior U.S. defense official confirmed Saturday that the prisoners to be released include Mullah Mohammad Fazl, Mullah Norullah Noori, Abdul Haq Wasiq, Khairullah Khairkhwa and Mohammed Nabi Omari.

While not as well known as Guantanamo inmates like 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the Taliban 5 were some of the worst outlaws in the U.S. war on terror. And their release will end up replenishing the diminished leadership ranks of the Afghan Taliban at a moment when the United States is winding down the war there.

“They are undoubtedly among the most dangerous Taliban commanders held at Guantanamo,” said Thomas Joscelyn, a senior editor at the Long War Journal who keeps a close watch on developments concerning the detainees left at the Guantanamo Bay prison.

Fazl, for example, was the Taliban’s former deputy defense minister and is wanted by the United Nations for his role in massacres targeting Afghan’s Shi’ite Muslim population.

According to the 2008 Pentagon’s dossier on Fazl disclosed by Wikileaks (PDF), Noori also was a senior Taliban military figure and, according to his Pentagon dossier, was asked personally in 1995 by Osama bin Laden (PDF) to participate in an offensive against northern alliance warlord Rashid Dostum.

Wasiq, a former deputy minister of intelligence, at one point tried to cooperate with U.S. forces in Afghanistan and asked for a GPS system as well as a special radio to communicate with the U.S. military after the U.S. invasion in 2001. His dossier (PDF) says that he was a crucial liaison between the Taliban and other Islamic fundamentalist groups while he was deputy intelligence minister. But the 2008 report also said he was holding out information he had on other top al Qaeda and Taliban leaders during interrogations.

Khairkhwa, a former Taliban governor of Herat, was considered by the Pentagon’s 2008 dossier to be a likely heroin trafficker (PDF). That dossier also says he likely participated in meetings with Iranian officials after 9-11 to help plot attacks on U.S. forces following the invasion.

Iran has worked in some cases with the government that has replaced the Taliban in Afghanistan, but also has been accused by the U.S. military of supplying the Taliban and other insurgent groups with roadside bombs known as improvised explosive devices of IEDs.

Nabi held several military leadership posts for the Taliban and helped organize the al Qaeda/Taliban militias that fought against U.S. and coalition troops in the first year of the war, according to his Pentagon dossier (PDF).

This week’s secret diplomacy was not the first time the U.S. government had engaged the Taliban in an effort to negotiate a prisoner swap for the release of Bergdahl. In 2011, State Department officials held a series of meetings with Taliban leaders in Doha.

In Congress, there was bipartisan opposition to any release of Guantanamo prisoners. After the negotiations were made public in early 2012 by Sen. Dianne Feinstein the Taliban announced they were pulling out of the talks.

In the summer of 2013, the U.S. attempted a Taliban confidence building measure, the opening of a Taliban representative office in the diplomatic enclave inside Doha, Qatar. Karzai was also mistrustful of that effort and his skepticism was validated when the Taliban violated their agreement with the U.S. and raised their flag at the office’s opening, causing Karzai to have a fit and forcing the U.S. to abandon the deal to keep the Taliban office open.

Talks resumed in late 2013 and the Taliban provided a video proof of life to the U.S. military in December 2013, which had been a condition for the U.S. to continue with the negotiations.

Many in Congress will still be opposed to the swap, but lawmakers gave up their right to stop it. A small change in the Fiscal Year 2014 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which passed last December, now makes it only a requirement that the Defense Secretary notify Congress when releasing Guantanamo prisoners. Before the change, Congressional sign off on any Guantanamo releases would have been needed.

At about 10:30 am eastern standard time, Bergdahl was released from his captors. The handover was peaceful and happened in eastern Afghanistan along the border, according to a senior U.S. Defense official. U.S. special operations forces conducted the rescue.

The official said that once he was on the helicopter, Bergdahl wrote on a paper plate (writing instead of talking because it was so loud) “SF?” The operators sitting with Bergdahl responded loudly, saying, yes, we’ve been looking for you for a long time. Bergdahl broke down crying, the official relayed.

In exchange for Bergdahl’s release, five detainees at Guantanamo Bay will be released to Qatar. The US has “appropriate assurances” that Qatar will be able to secure the detainees there, a U.S. official said. The detainees are under a travel ban for a year.

The transfer took place quickly without incident, peacefully and without violence. There were approximately 18 Taliban on site.

U.S. officials believe Bergdahl had been held for the bulk of his captivity in Pakistan. They’re not sure when he was moved to Afghanistan.

The transfer was not negotiated with the Haqqani network, a network of former Pakistani defense officials and other designated terrorists. Instead it was brokered through the Qatari government.

Bergdahl’s parents happened to be in Washington when the news broke. They had come from their home in Idaho for Memorial Day.

Bergdahl is currently being held at a forward operating base in Afghanistan. He will be there until doctors are ready to let him go, and his next move will be to Bagram only when he’s ready.

The U.S. official praised this operation as a show of interagency cooperation—it was a whole-government effort that he said had been in the works for five years. “We really got traction in the last week but we never lost sight of Bergdahl,” he said.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:03 AM   #121
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Seems like a missed opportunity for a drone strike.
too bad it was in qatar, if it had been afghanistan it would have been a lot easier to drop one in there...

maybe that's the diabolical plan - get them in afghanistan when they meet up with their buds...
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:11 AM   #122
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too bad it was in qatar, if it had been afghanistan it would have been a lot easier to drop one in there...

maybe that's the diabolical plan - get them in afghanistan when they meet up with their buds...
Yeah I'm sure that's it.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:12 AM   #123
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too bad it was in qatar, if it had been afghanistan it would have been a lot easier to drop one in there...

maybe that's the diabolical plan - get them in afghanistan when they meet up with their buds...
One can certainly hope that we found a way to implant some type of tracker in these a-holes.

I'd put the likelihood at about 3% though.

I probably read to many spy novels.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:17 AM   #124
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One can certainly hope that we found a way to implant some type of tracker in these a-holes.

I'd put the likelihood at about 3% though.

I probably read to many spy novels.

No worries, Obama probably cleverly asked the Taliban prisoners where he could send them a Merry Ramadan card, and now thinks he "has them".
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:26 AM   #125
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Read this and you probably will understand how these men are just good people who want to be home with their families and are not a threat....


Afghanistan’s Tolo News described the deep roots of the commanders exchanged: Mullah Khairullah Khair Khawah, who served as minister of interior and governor of Herat under the Taliban government; Mullah Fazel Mazloom, the Taliban Army chief of staff; Mawlawi Abdul Haq Waseeq, the deputy head of intelligence under the Taliban; Mawlawi Noorullah Noori, former governor of Balkh and later Kandahar army chief for the Taliban; and Mawlawi Muhammad Nabi Omeri, a senior Taliban leader in southern Afghanistan.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:31 AM   #126
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Well, Obama does make some people happy:


In a rare statement, the movement’s leader, Mohammad Omar, instead said with the release of the commanders brought the insurgency “closer to the harbor of victory.”
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:34 AM   #127
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Clare Lopez is a former CIA operations officer, a strategic policy and intelligence expert with a focus on Middle East, national defense, WMD, and counterterrorism issues, and a friend of mine.

She emailed me this morning a very poignant analysis that only someone knowing language and Islam could ascertain. She wrote:

“What none of these media is reporting is that the father’s (SGT Bowe Bergdahl’s father Bob) first words at the WH were in Arabic – those words were “bism allah alrahman alraheem” – which means “in the name of Allah the most gracious and most merciful” – these are the opening words of every chapter of the Qur’an except one (the chapter of the sword – the 9th) – by uttering these words on the grounds of the WH, Bergdahl (the father) sanctified the WH and claimed it for Islam. There is no question but POTUS knows this.”
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:36 AM   #128
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Read this and you probably will understand how these men are just good people who want to be home with their families and are not a threat....


Afghanistan’s Tolo News described the deep roots of the commanders exchanged: Mullah Khairullah Khair Khawah, who served as minister of interior and governor of Herat under the Taliban government; Mullah Fazel Mazloom, the Taliban Army chief of staff; Mawlawi Abdul Haq Waseeq, the deputy head of intelligence under the Taliban; Mawlawi Noorullah Noori, former governor of Balkh and later Kandahar army chief for the Taliban; and Mawlawi Muhammad Nabi Omeri, a senior Taliban leader in southern Afghanistan.

Two of the released were charged with mass murder in the killings of thousands of people.



The White House's nonchalance about the five Taliban detainees also had people scratching their heads. Press secretary Jay Carney tried arguing that they presented no threat to the U.S., but two of them have been charged with mass murder by the United Nations, and the Taliban celebrated their release as a "big victory" over the U.S. One detainee, Khairullah Khairkwa, was a confidant of Osama bin Laden, while Abdul Haq Wasiq served as deputy intelligence minister to the Taliban.


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Old 06-03-2014, 10:43 AM   #129
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So...how many kidnapped Americans will it take to empty out Gitmo?
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:47 AM   #130
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:50 AM   #131
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At the current exchange rate about 29.
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Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's father tweeted pro-Taliban comments directed at terrorist website while son was a prisoner in Afghanistan

One of the tweets has been removed from the Twitter account that appeared to belong to Bob Bergdahl, whose son vanished in 2009 while serving in Afghanistan. Soldiers from his platoon called him a deserter who recklessly endangered Americans and disrupted counter-insurgency operations. At least six soldiers were reportedly killed in the aftermath of his disappearance.

Bob Bergdahl, father of freed Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, has apparently tweeted pro-Taliban messages.
Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl wanted to talk to the Taliban — and after his capture his father apparently did just that.

The soldier whose disappearance led to the death of six of his fellow soldiers deserted his post in a harebrained attempt to communicate with the enemy, his team leader in Afghanistan told the Daily News Monday.

Sgt. Evan Buetow, 28, recalled he was among a small team including an interpreter who spied on radio and cell communications in the area of their base on the frontlines in eastern Afghanistan, listening for clues to the Bergdahl’s whereabouts following his disappearance on June 30, 2009.

He said he heard Afghans from a nearby village say: “There’s an American here looking for someone who speaks English so he can talk to the Taliban.”

The search for Bergdahl put troops in a vulnerable position. Attacks increased as U.S. movements became easier for the Taliban to predict, Bergdahl’s angry fellow soldiers said, speaking out for the first time now that he had been rescued.

After the bloodshed, the military opted to pursue negotiations instead of using boots on the ground.
The prisoner of war’s father, Bob Bergdahl, did what he could to ensure his son’s safety.

That included establishing an online dialogue with the Taliban — one that apparently continued until last week, only three days before his son’s rescue.
A Twitter account appearing to belong to Bob included a tweet Wednesday — since deleted — in which he said he was “working to free all Guantanmo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, ameen!”

The tweet was directed at a Twitter account that claims to be the “Voice of Jihad” and features regular updates and bodycounts from the Mujahideen’s operations against “American invaders,” “U.S. terrorists,” and their Afghan “puppets.”

A White House spokesman dodged questions about whether officials were aware of Bob Bergdahl’s comments before inviting him to join President Obama in the Rose Garden.

On Monday White House spokesman Jay Carney dodged questions about whether officials were aware of Bob Bergdahl’s comments before inviting him to join President Obama in the Rose Garden.

A senior administration official said the missive was irrelevant.
“Our sacred obligation to bring home our service members is rock solid. No tweet could ever affect that,” the official told the Daily News.

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Abdulqahar Balkhi is a Taliban website crowing about U.S. casualties in Afghanistan.

A 2010 Pentagon investigation found that Bergdahl walked away from his unit, and that his fellow soldiers thought he was a naive, “delusional” person who thought he could help the Afghan people by leaving his post, a senior defense official told the Associated Press.

But Buetow and others were less generous in their description of their brother in arms.
“He's not a great person or great example of a solider,” said Buetow, who now is a sheriff’s deputy in Washington state.

Sgt. Evan Buetow said Bergdahl is 'not a great person or great example of a soldier.'
“He deserted his men, put us in danger so he could find the Taliban. And several soldiers died looking for him in the weeks and months to follow.”

The initial search effort involved helicopters, military dogs, surveillance drones, anthropologists and Afghan sources, according to Nathan Bradley Bethea, who served in the same battalion as Bergdahl.

“The searches enraged the local civilian population and derailed the counter-insurgency operations taking place at the time. At every juncture I remember the soldiers involved asking why we were burning so much gasoline trying to find a guy who had abandoned his unit in the first place,” Bethea wrote in The Daily Beast.


Sgt. Evan Buetow, 28, was the team leader of Bergdahl's group.
The war was already absurd and quixotic, but the hunt for Bergdahl was even more infuriating because it was all the result of some kid doing something unnecessary by his own volition,” Bethea wrote.

Taliban fighters handed Bergdahl over to U.S. special forces Saturday in exchange for the release of five Afghan detainees at Guantanamo Bay prison.
Bergdahl was being treated Monday at a U.S. military hospital in Germany and listed in stable condition.

But soldiers weren’t celebrating his rescue.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, visiting troops in Afghanistan, was met with an awkward silence when he told a group of them in a Bagram Air Field hangar: “This is a happy day. We got one of our own back.”

On Facebook, a Bowe Bergdahl is NOT a Hero! had over 8,500 members. A petition on the White House website calling for Bergdahl to be punished for being AWOL had over 5,300 signatures.

“I was pissed off then and I am even more so now with everything going on,” former Sgt. Matt Vierkant, a member of Bergdahl's platoon, told CNN.
“Bowe Bergdahl deserted during a time of war and his fellow Americans lost their lives searching for him.”

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Excellent. Hillary has now got the bad smell of this on her.....Save a deserter by turning 5 world class muslim terrorists loose but let 4 die and blame a video tape.

At an event in Denver Clinton was asked her opinion of the deal, which has come under scrutiny for everything from Bergdahl’s potential deserter status at the time of his capture to the legality of the Obama administration’s decision not to inform Congress thirty days ahead of a prisoner swap.

Noting that U.S. allies have made similar deals, Clinton said, “This young man, whatever the circumstances, was an American citizen — is an American citizen — was serving in our military. The idea that you really care for your own citizens and particularly those in uniform, I think is a very noble one.”

“You don’t want to see these five prisoners go back to combat,” Clinton said. “There’s a lot that you don’t want to have happen. On the other hand you also don’t want an American citizen, if you can avoid it, especially a solider, to die in captivity. I think we have a long way to go before we really know how this is going to play out.”

She added that the decision to spring Bergdahl could be seen as the type of “hard choices” that happened to be the title of her new book, at which point everybody ducked
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Army sergeant helped Afghan people while as a prisoner of Taliban: father

Bob Bergdahl, the father of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, said Sunday that he's proud of how far his son was willing to help the Afghan people. The parents of the soldier didn't elaborate on what that meant. Their son was freed Saturday after five years in captivity.

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“But most of all, I’m proud of how much you wanted to help the Afghan people, and what you were willing to do to go to that length,” Bob Bergdahl said, fighting back tears during a press conference in Boise. “I’ll say it again: I’m so proud of how far you were willing to go to help the Afghan people. And I think you have succeeded.”

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Old 06-03-2014, 11:01 AM   #135
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What was Obama's motivation to trade 5 high value (from an operational/intel perspective) targets for one low value deserter, who according to all reports left by his own volition?

I can understand the operations to recover him in the time immediately following his disappearance, but after 3-4 years any intel he could provide would have already been provided, if he were working for the Taliban he'd have told everything he knows... for all we know he was an enemy combatant, if he was training them in bomb making and their search tactics as the New York Times article suggests then he definitely was. Something else that I read suggested that the CIA knew where he was, so then it follows that we could have probably had an operation to retrieve him, so why trade terrorists for him?

So Obama brings him home not to face courtmartial or trial in another court but as a hero, and sends Susan Rice out to try to tell people he served honorably and with distinction?

What is their play here? Did they think this was going to work out in their favor? What's the upside to their actions here?
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