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Old 06-04-2014, 01:59 PM  
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Colin Kaepernick gets over $100 million new deal

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Old 06-04-2014, 03:37 PM   #106
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They still have their OL, which is one of the most consistently dominant units in the league. Iupati may be leaving them soon though, no way they shell out the $50 mil that it's going to take to keep him. They still have one of the best receiving cores in the league, but that doesn't matter much because they don't have a QB who can take advantage of that. The defense is still a top 5 unit as long as Justin Smith, Aldon Smith, Willis, and Bowman are around.
Good point, but you have to keep something in mind for each of the last few guys you mentioned. With Justin Smith you have an age issue, how much longer does he have? I think you will see a drop off with him. Then you have Aldon Smith who is a head case, can he stay out of trouble? Finally you have to worry if Bowman can bounce back from that nasty injury or not. I think they're an organization on the decline imo but I could be wrong. Time will tell.
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:39 PM   #107
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And the other side of the coin are teams that refuse to do so and draft QB's late in the 1st or 2nd and save that money.

If Jay Cutler had played for the Jets, Bills, or Seahawks would they have won more games or been better off?

Seattle won it all with a 2nd year QB and the Jets & Bills wouldn't have made the playoffs with a Cutler anyway...
The other side is teams that focus on building the actual team and winning with the run game and defense instead of forcing the issue with the passing game. Seahawks and 49ers are the prime examples of this.
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:43 PM   #108
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Everyone blames it on the "lack of WRs" but that was far from the case. His issues as a passer were most clearly illustrated by the ill-advised decision and throw that he made on his final play in the NFC Championship game last year. He's a one-read guy who can't see the whole field and leaves wide open receivers hanging all of the time. Absolutely no anticipation in the passing game.
You know, I'm actually OK with a one read QB. Some systems can be predicated on that. To even be effective at the NFL level, you gotta have a lot of moving parts and be one read. Presnap reads have to be perfect.

I really just suffer from old-man-itis. I like the surgical pocket passers. His style of play just seems like backyard football. Backyard football should be kept in arena league football IMO.
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:43 PM   #109
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The other side is teams that focus on building the actual team and winning with the run game and defense instead of forcing the issue with the passing game. Seahawks and 49ers are the prime examples of this.

Yep, but now the 49'ers are going to have to re-think things because they will be a member $100MIL QB Club.
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:45 PM   #110
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Why do people think this cripples SF financially? 60 guaranteed means a 10 mil cap hit for the bonus fro the life of the contract. You could do a contract with reasonable numbers the first 5 years and a balloon at the end.

1. 10 mil bonus + 1 mil base = 11cap hit.
2. 10 mil bonus + 3 mil base = 13 cap hit.
3. 10 mil bonus + 3 mil base = 13 cap hit.
4. 10 mil bonus + 5 mil base = 15 cap hit.
5. 10 mil bonus + 9 mil base = 19 cap hit.
6. 10 mil bonus + 19 mil base = 29 cap hit (never realized, only on the hook for the 10 mil. With the additional tv revenue from the 4 european teams, it's a drop in the bucket).

If he gets hurt you are scrwed, but they could be set at QB for the next 5 years for a reasonable cap hit each year.
your scenario adds up to 100 mil. where's the remaining 26?
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:46 PM   #111
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:52 PM   #112
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Why do people think this cripples SF financially? 60 guaranteed means a 10 mil cap hit for the bonus fro the life of the contract. You could do a contract with reasonable numbers the first 5 years and a balloon at the end.

1. 10 mil bonus + 1 mil base = 11cap hit.
2. 10 mil bonus + 3 mil base = 13 cap hit.
3. 10 mil bonus + 3 mil base = 13 cap hit.
4. 10 mil bonus + 5 mil base = 15 cap hit.
5. 10 mil bonus + 9 mil base = 19 cap hit.
6. 10 mil bonus + 19 mil base = 29 cap hit (never realized, only on the hook for the 10 mil. With the additional tv revenue from the 4 european teams, it's a drop in the bucket).

If he gets hurt you are scrwed, but they could be set at QB for the next 5 years for a reasonable cap hit each year.
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People are dumb and don't understand the salary cap.
I don't think you guys understand it as well as you think you do either.
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:56 PM   #113
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60 guaranteed doesn't mean all 60 is signing bonus, so that's not the number you pro-rate over the life of the contract. You'd need to know how much of that 60 is signing bonus, how much are roster bonuses, how much is guaranteed salary, etc, etc.
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:57 PM   #114
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Old 06-04-2014, 04:01 PM   #115
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Yep, but now the 49'ers are going to have to re-think things because they will be a member $100MIL QB Club.
They essentially just made their window smaller.

Vernon Davis is 30 now and has no spectacular traits as a TE beyond his speed. He doesn't have the best ball skills, doesn't have natural hands to consistently high point catches, and disappears against Seattle because Chancellor destroys him everywhere he goes; Kaepernick also seems to have a fetish with throwing the ball in Richard Sherman's direction.

Anquan Boldin is old as well but still plays at a high level. However, he has 2 more years at best and more likely only 1 year.

Justin Smith is turning 35 this year and, while he is still a great player, there has been some noticeable signs of his age slowing him down.

Patrick Willis is 29 and only has 2 more years left, including this year. I'm a big Willis fan, great story if you never heard it, but even I'm not sure if he's still the best MLB on that team anymore. He's likely gone after this contract runs out because of cap issues.

Ray McDonald is turning 30 this year and just had surgery this off-season on a torn bicep. He is only signed through 2016.

Mike Iupati is likely gone next year.

Aldon Smith has tons of legal issues and might be in jail instead of playing football.

Ahmad Brooks is also 30 years old.

IMO, the 49ers have a 2 year window, at best, to win with the current strength of their roster.
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They essentially just made their window smaller.

Vernon Davis is 30 now and has no spectacular traits as a TE beyond his speed. He doesn't have the best ball skills, doesn't have natural hands to consistently high point catches, and disappears against Seattle because Chancellor destroys him everywhere he goes; Kaepernick also seems to have a fetish with throwing the ball in Richard Sherman's direction.

Anquan Boldin is old as well but still plays at a high level. However, he has 2 more years at best and more likely only 1 year.

Justin Smith is turning 35 this year and, while he is still a great player, there has been some noticeable signs of his age slowing him down.

Patrick Willis is 29 and only has 2 more years left, including this year. I'm a big Willis fan, great story if you never heard it, but even I'm not sure if he's still the best MLB on that team anymore. He's likely gone after this contract runs out because of cap issues.

Ray McDonald is turning 30 this year and just had surgery this off-season on a torn bicep. He is only signed through 2016.

Mike Iupati is likely gone next year.

Aldon Smith has tons of legal issues and might be in jail instead of playing football.

Ahmad Brooks is also 30 years old.

IMO, the 49ers have a 2 year window, at best, to win with the current strength of their roster.
Not picking on you, because this is more of a board-attitude type thing...

Funny how people are predicting the demise of the Niners because the above players are 30, yet our players in that age range are going to continue to be impact players for another half-decade.
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Not picking on you, because this is more of a board-attitude type thing...

Funny how people are predicting the demise of the Niners because the above players are 30, yet our players in that age range are going to continue to be impact players for another half-decade.
Well... duh.
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They got Hyde and Lattimore waiting in the wings. 49ers are fine.
That's what they said about LaMichael James, look how he turned out.
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