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Old 06-08-2014, 03:27 PM  
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Texas GOP endorses 'reparative therapy' for gays

http://news.msn.com/us/texas-gop-end...erapy-for-gays

FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) The Texas Republican Party now endorses so-called "reparative therapy" for gays, under a new platform given final approval at its annual convention Saturday.

The new anti-gay language never came up for debate before roughly 7,000 delegates ratified a Texas GOP platform that tea party groups succeeded in pushing further to the right, including winning a harder line on immigration.

One influential tea party group called Texas Eagle Forum had urged the party to support psychological treatments that seek to turn gay people straight. It comes after Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie last fall signed a law banning such therapies on minors, and California has a similar law.

The Fort Worth Convention Hall cheered when party leaders announced that Christie finished a distant 11th in a 2016 presidential straw poll.

"There's a very, very small group of people who want to keep the party in the past. We were here today to try to pull the party into the future," said Rudy Oeftering, vice president of the gay conservative group Metroplex Republicans. "The only way the party can go into the future is to start listening to young people, to start listening to people who have gay family members."

Oeftering and allies had lined up to speak against the therapy language that had been added earlier this week. But they never got a chance to address delegates, because a parliamentary motion to approve the full platform was called first.

Under the new plank, the Texas GOP recognizes "the legitimacy and efficacy of counseling, which offers reparative therapy and treatment for those patients seeking healing and wholeness from their homosexual lifestyle."

The American Psychological Association and other major health organizations have condemned such counseling, which generally try to change a person's sexual orientation or to lessen their interest in engaging in same-sex sexual activity. The groups say the practice should not be used on minors because of the danger of serious psychological harm.

"The platform reflects what the people in the Republican Party have asked for, and that should be no surprise: family values, protection of marriage between one man and one woman and everything that goes along with that," said Jonathan Saenz, president of the conservative group Texas Values and a convention delegate.

Gay conservatives did come away with a rare victory at the convention: Winning the removal of decades-old language in the state party platform that states, "homosexuality tears at the fabric of society."
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Old 06-09-2014, 03:14 PM   #46
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Does anyone make more matter of fact statements based off of some random thing they read somewhere? As if it is just some well known thing that is not disputable? We all get fooled every now and then by something on the internet but maybe a quick google search would benefit BEP. The worst part is she won't just admit to making mistakes and instead digs deeper and deeper.
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Old 06-09-2014, 03:14 PM   #47
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The most entertaining part is when you rehash your failed arguments and claim victory. Like the Constitution material one. Man that was a riot.
Yet you were OWNED on it. Your denial is a disorder. But I'm always happy to provide joy to others. Carry on.
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Old 06-09-2014, 03:18 PM   #48
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Yet you were OWNED on it. Your denial is a disorder. But I'm always happy to provide joy to others. Carry on.
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Old 06-09-2014, 03:19 PM   #49
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Yet you were OWNED on it. Your denial is a disorder. But I'm always happy to provide joy to others. Carry on.
yes fish, your non-denial (because it didn't happen) is clearly a disorder...

in bep's world, being persuaded by actual facts and reason is a disorder...

and yes, honey, you do bring a certain devilish kind of joy to many of us, and i thank you for it...
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Old 06-09-2014, 03:51 PM   #50
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Old 06-09-2014, 04:15 PM   #51
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This is why Rick Perry crashed and burned in his presidential run and Ted Cruz will do the same. It's easy for them to get elected in Texas by pandering to the right wing knuckle draggers who make up the Texas GOP. When they get outside that bubble they fall apart. Can't wait to Ted Cruz try to run for pres.
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:02 PM   #52
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Projecting again? Or do you just admire the Soviet system on dissenting opinions?
Nevertheless, you have nothing once again.Certainly no proof I got it from that site which I never heard of.
It's possible where I read it relied on that since it went viral is all that can be considered instead of making ASSumptions.
Batshit crazy and incorrect assertions are not the same as "dissenting opinions."
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:04 PM   #53
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This is why Rick Perry crashed and burned in his presidential run and Ted Cruz will do the same. It's easy for them to get elected in Texas by pandering to the right wing knuckle draggers who make up the Texas GOP. When they get outside that bubble they fall apart. Can't wait to Ted Cruz try to run for pres.
You're right about that.
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:53 PM   #55
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This is why Rick Perry crashed and burned in his presidential run and Ted Cruz will do the same. It's easy for them to get elected in Texas by pandering to the right wing knuckle draggers who make up the Texas GOP. When they get outside that bubble they fall apart. Can't wait to Ted Cruz try to run for pres.
This doesn't make any sense. Rick Perry didn't even make it through the Republican Primary, where the candidates have to pander to the conservative right.

You do know that the Republican party is also to the right of the Democrats as well, don't you?
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Old 06-13-2014, 01:12 PM   #56
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'Reparative therapy'

The Texas Republican Party this month adopted a platform supporting access to "reparative therapy" for gays and lesbians, a widely discredited process intended to change sexual orientation. In response to an audience question about it Wednesday night, Perry said he did not know whether the therapy worked.

Commonwealth Club interviewer Greg Dalton then asked him whether he believes homosexuality is a disorder.

"Whether or not you feel compelled to follow a particular lifestyle or not, you have the ability to decide not to do that," Perry said. "I may have the genetic coding that I'm inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the desire not to do that, and I look at the homosexual issue the same way."

The large crowd gathered at the InterContinental Mark Hopkins hotel on Nob Hill included many Perry supporters. But the comment still drew a murmur of disbelief.

http://m.sfgate.com/politics/article...to-5546544.php
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Old 06-13-2014, 01:52 PM   #57
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I think reparative therapy should be available in the free market--not as part of a political platform.

If someone wants to try it. So what? Let them determine if it works.
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Old 06-13-2014, 02:45 PM   #58
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His comment interests me for a few reasons:

1) He is addressing the notion that homosexuality isn't a choice, that it is something "hardwired" for lack of a better term.

2) He is drawing a distinction between thought and action.

3) He is stating a reason for engaging in "Reparitive Therapy"; that homosexuality is the source of a behavior that a person may see as a weakness or moral shortcoming in themselves.

4) He did this without invoking the "God Says It's Wrong" line of reasoning.


It's a very carefully crafted message.
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Perry said. "I may have the genetic coding that I'm inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the desire not to do that, and I look at the homosexual issue the same way."
And? I mean no shit - this is what self control is. I have the desire to go around kicking stupid people in the teeth but I don't because, while it may be cheered on by the masses, that doesn't make it the right thing to do.
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And? I mean no shit - this is what self control is. I have the desire to go around kicking stupid people in the teeth but I don't because, while it may be cheered on by the masses, that doesn't make it the right thing to do.
See my previous post.
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