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Old 06-10-2014, 06:58 AM  
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White House shifts blame to Hagel for terrorist swap

Now the White House says Hagel made final call on Bergdahl as criticism of Obama over prisoner swap mounts

*Congress learned on Monday that Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel gave final approval for the prisoner exchange that freed Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
*Last week, Hagel said the swap was a unanimous decision made by senior officials
*Hagel is expected to defend the prisoner exchange on Wednesday in an appearance before the House Armed Services Committee


By ZOE SZATHMARY
PUBLISHED: 01:05 EST, 10 June 2014 | UPDATED: 01:05 EST, 10 June 2014


FInal approval for the prisoner exchange that freed Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was made by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, members of Congress learned on Monday from administration officials.

'They indicated (it was) Secretary Hagel (who made the final call),' Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA) said after a classified briefing, ABC points out.

'It was the president of the United States that came out (in the Rose Garden) with the Bergdahls and took all the credit and now that there’s been a little pushback he’s moving away from it and it’s Secretary Hagel?'

Last week, Hagel said the swap was a unanimous decision when speaking to the BBC.

'It was the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Director of National Intelligence, Attorney General,' he said.

'It was our judgement based on the information that we had that his life, his health were in peril,' Hagel also told the channel in defense of not giving Congress 30 days' notice of the plan.

'Can you imagine if we would have waited or taken the chance of leaks over a 30-day period?' Hagel said.

Congress was upset to learn on Monday that 80 to 90 people in the Obama administration knew of the exchange - but that no Republicans or Democrats in the House were told.

'It strikes me as unfortunate that they could have 80 to 90 people in the administration aware of what was happening and not be able to trust a single Republican or Democrat in the House or the Senate,' Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR), said, Reuters points out.

''There was a sense of anger that members of Congress didn’t know about this,' Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) said to reporters after the briefing, ABC notes. 'Obviously, if there is secure information — members of Congress knew about the capture of Osama bin Laden — and yet 80 to 90 staff in the White House knew about this.'

Hagel is expected to defend the prisoner exchange on Wednesday in an appearance before the House Armed Services Committee.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:23 AM   #16
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I'm wondering how this "shifts blame." Maybe one of you guys can explain it to me.

At no point has Obama backtracked on his support of this. At no point has he said he hasn't agreed with it. He went out in the Rose Garden with Bergdahl's family, and hasn't apologized or backtracked on that either.

Far as I know, the White House released information on the inner workings of how this deal got done (i.e., it was ultimately approved by the President's highest advisor on defense), and Republicans are taking anything that isn't "Obama made the Bergdahl decision all by himself" as blame-shifting.

Help me out here, fellas.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:27 AM   #17
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Hagel is in the cabinet...ergo he's a part of the admin...meaning he's a part of the White House.....so there is no "Shifting blame"
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:31 AM   #18
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I'm wondering how this "shifts blame." Maybe one of you guys can explain it to me.

At no point has Obama backtracked on his support of this. At no point has he said he hasn't agreed with it. He went out in the Rose Garden with Bergdahl's family, and hasn't apologized or backtracked on that either.

Far as I know, the White House released information on the inner workings of how this deal got done (i.e., it was ultimately approved by the President's highest advisor on defense), and Republicans are taking anything that isn't "Obama made the Bergdahl decision all by himself" as blame-shifting.

Help me out here, fellas.
There is a Hagel interview out there where I heard him specifically name other cabinet members that were all in agreement on the transfer I'm interested to hear if that story has changed and he gives himself up as the scapegoat. And the idea Hagel would have the decision over Obama is just plain laughable.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:35 AM   #19
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Obama didn't even know about the prisoner swap until he saw it on the news with the rest of us.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:36 AM   #20
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Hagel is in the cabinet...ergo he's a part of the admin...meaning he's a part of the White House.....so there is no "Shifting blame"
Right, so, Obama going out into the rose garden arm in arm with the family taking credit for everything, and then later after a firestorm of criticism saying that Hagel made the final decision, doesn't smack of blame-shifting?

This administration, whether it be Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Obamacare, Bergdahl, whatever... they never actually address any criticism. They put talking points on repeat or blame others. Never any accountability or defense of what they have done, because they feel that they don't owe it to anyone to explain themselves.

Imperial president.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:37 AM   #21
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I'm wondering how this "shifts blame." Maybe one of you guys can explain it to me.

At no point has Obama backtracked on his support of this. At no point has he said he hasn't agreed with it. He went out in the Rose Garden with Bergdahl's family, and hasn't apologized or backtracked on that either.

Far as I know, the White House released information on the inner workings of how this deal got done (i.e., it was ultimately approved by the President's highest advisor on defense), and Republicans are taking anything that isn't "Obama made the Bergdahl decision all by himself" as blame-shifting.

Help me out here, fellas.
The situation is still fluid. coming soon.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:38 AM   #22
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And the idea Hagel would have the decision over Obama is just plain laughable.
Not so much if you really, really, really want to believe it. At this point you have to have a remarkable level of naivete to see this president as anything but a bust. But here we are.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:40 AM   #23
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Not so much if you really, really, really want to believe it. At this point you have to have a remarkable level of naivete to see this president as anything but a bust.
He has no ability to lead people, and he's too arrogant to listen to anyone else. The white house is stocked with advisors who agree with him. Groupthink results.

He's too small for the office.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:45 AM   #24
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There is a Hagel interview out there where I heard him specifically name other cabinet members that were all in agreement on the transfer I'm interested to hear if that story has changed and he gives himself up as the scapegoat. And the idea Hagel would have the decision over Obama is just plain laughable.
I just haven't seen Obama disown responsibility for the swap. Has he?
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:45 AM   #25
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The situation is still fluid. coming soon.
Heh. Fair enough.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:48 AM   #26
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The Taliban and other militants have lost their strategic trump card now that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl has been released, retired Marine Gen. James Mattis said.

After Bergdahl was captured in 2009, top U.S. commanders in Afghanistan worried that he would be murdered in retaliation for military action against the Taliban and the Haqqani network, Mattis said during a Sunday appearance on CNN’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley.

“We no longer have that concern that they have this pawn they can then play against us,” said Mattis, former chief of U.S. Central Command. “So there‘s also a military vulnerability that the Haqqanis now face, that Taliban now faces because they no longer hold one of our U.S. soldiers in captivity. So, there’s also a freedom to operate against them that perhaps we didn’t fully enjoy so long as they held Bowe as a prisoner.”
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So if this were true, we were letting them use this defector to dictate our policy all across Afghanistan?
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So if this were true, we were letting them use this defector to dictate our policy all across Afghanistan?
Have some influence might be more apt, than dictate.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:56 AM   #29
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Right, so, Obama going out into the rose garden arm in arm with the family taking credit for everything, and then later after a firestorm of criticism saying that Hagel made the final decision

Imperial president.
Obama said that? Or was it just republican politician who jumped to that conclusion?
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I'm wondering how this "shifts blame." Maybe one of you guys can explain it to me.

At no point has Obama backtracked on his support of this. At no point has he said he hasn't agreed with it. He went out in the Rose Garden with Bergdahl's family, and hasn't apologized or backtracked on that either.

Far as I know, the White House released information on the inner workings of how this deal got done (i.e., it was ultimately approved by the President's highest advisor on defense), and Republicans are taking anything that isn't "Obama made the Bergdahl decision all by himself" as blame-shifting.

Help me out here, fellas.
Chuck Hagel said Obama had the final approval. The WH says that Hagel did. More than likely, they're both lying to cover for Valerie Jarrett.
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