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White House shifts blame to Hagel for terrorist swap

Now the White House says Hagel made final call on Bergdahl as criticism of Obama over prisoner swap mounts

*Congress learned on Monday that Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel gave final approval for the prisoner exchange that freed Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
*Last week, Hagel said the swap was a unanimous decision made by senior officials
*Hagel is expected to defend the prisoner exchange on Wednesday in an appearance before the House Armed Services Committee


By ZOE SZATHMARY
PUBLISHED: 01:05 EST, 10 June 2014 | UPDATED: 01:05 EST, 10 June 2014


FInal approval for the prisoner exchange that freed Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was made by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, members of Congress learned on Monday from administration officials.

'They indicated (it was) Secretary Hagel (who made the final call),' Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA) said after a classified briefing, ABC points out.

'It was the president of the United States that came out (in the Rose Garden) with the Bergdahls and took all the credit and now that thereís been a little pushback heís moving away from it and itís Secretary Hagel?'

Last week, Hagel said the swap was a unanimous decision when speaking to the BBC.

'It was the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Director of National Intelligence, Attorney General,' he said.

'It was our judgement based on the information that we had that his life, his health were in peril,' Hagel also told the channel in defense of not giving Congress 30 days' notice of the plan.

'Can you imagine if we would have waited or taken the chance of leaks over a 30-day period?' Hagel said.

Congress was upset to learn on Monday that 80 to 90 people in the Obama administration knew of the exchange - but that no Republicans or Democrats in the House were told.

'It strikes me as unfortunate that they could have 80 to 90 people in the administration aware of what was happening and not be able to trust a single Republican or Democrat in the House or the Senate,' Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR), said, Reuters points out.

''There was a sense of anger that members of Congress didnít know about this,' Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) said to reporters after the briefing, ABC notes. 'Obviously, if there is secure information ó members of Congress knew about the capture of Osama bin Laden ó and yet 80 to 90 staff in the White House knew about this.'

Hagel is expected to defend the prisoner exchange on Wednesday in an appearance before the House Armed Services Committee.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:00 AM   #31
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Chuck Hagel said Obama had the final approval. The WH says that Hagel did. More than likely, they're both lying to cover for Valerie Jarrett.


I think it's more likely that Obama greenlit a swap for Bergdahl, and told Hagel to get hammer one out.

But what do I know. The facts will come out.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:01 AM   #32
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:13 AM   #33
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Chuck Hagel said Obama had the final approval. The WH says that Hagel did. More than likely, they're both lying to cover for Valerie Jarrett.
Who exactly is "The WH"? As far as i've read, i've only seen "Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA)" say it.

As far as i know, and with the evidence provided, the only person who's shifted the blame is Buck McKeon.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:22 AM   #34
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Right, so, Obama going out into the rose garden arm in arm with the family taking credit for everything, and then later after a firestorm of criticism saying that Hagel made the final decision, doesn't smack of blame-shifting?

This administration, whether it be Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Obamacare, Bergdahl, whatever... they never actually address any criticism. They put talking points on repeat or blame others. Never any accountability or defense of what they have done, because they feel that they don't owe it to anyone to explain themselves.

Imperial president.
I am saying the President has one of two choices:

Either he's a gutless liar

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He's incompetent.

Anybody that views it any other way is trying to sell you something.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:28 AM   #35
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Obama's not shifting the blame. He's just sharing more of the responsibility now that it isn't all roses for him.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:31 AM   #36
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Its just such a typical, punk Barry move... he's not even up for re-election, why not just own it and tell everyone to pound sand, like most guys on their way out would?

His spine is made out of celery.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:33 AM   #37
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There is a Hagel interview out there where I heard him specifically name other cabinet members that were all in agreement on the transfer I'm interested to hear if that story has changed and he gives himself up as the scapegoat. And the idea Hagel would have the decision over Obama is just plain laughable.
In the video he says Obama made the ultimate decision. Here:



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Old 06-10-2014, 11:37 AM   #38
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So if this were true, we were letting them use this defector to dictate our policy all across Afghanistan?
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Have some influence might be more apt, than dictate.
Yes. The article doesn't say that the military folded tents and left Afghanistan while he was a POW.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:47 AM   #39
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In the video he says Obama made the ultimate decision. Here:



Thats a lying falsified Republican propaganda video/The Obama Administration
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Its just such a typical, punk Barry move... he's not even up for re-election, why not just own it and tell everyone to pound sand, like most guys on their way out would?

His spine is made out of celery.
Again, there is no evidence to support what this politician said is true. None.

All of this outrage based on absolutely nothing.

It's amazing how people WANT to hate Obama. I understand that he's ****ed up on several things and people have their reasons to dislike him, but if you guys are going to rake him over the coals, at least have a legitimate, logical reason.

The OP doesn't give a good reason, sorry. There's nothing factual in there, therefore all of the bitching in this thread sounds extremely petty and bias.
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Old 06-10-2014, 12:26 PM   #41
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Old 06-10-2014, 12:34 PM   #42
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Now the White House says Hagel made final call on Bergdahl as criticism of Obama over prisoner swap mounts

*Congress learned on Monday that Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel gave final approval for the prisoner exchange that freed Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
*Last week, Hagel said the swap was a unanimous decision made by senior officials
*Hagel is expected to defend the prisoner exchange on Wednesday in an appearance before the House Armed Services Committee


By ZOE SZATHMARY
PUBLISHED: 01:05 EST, 10 June 2014 | UPDATED: 01:05 EST, 10 June 2014


FInal approval for the prisoner exchange that freed Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was made by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, members of Congress learned on Monday from administration officials.

'They indicated (it was) Secretary Hagel (who made the final call),' Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA) said after a classified briefing, ABC points out.

'It was the president of the United States that came out (in the Rose Garden) with the Bergdahls and took all the credit and now that thereís been a little pushback heís moving away from it and itís Secretary Hagel?'

Last week, Hagel said the swap was a unanimous decision when speaking to the BBC.

'It was the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Director of National Intelligence, Attorney General,' he said.

'It was our judgement based on the information that we had that his life, his health were in peril,' Hagel also told the channel in defense of not giving Congress 30 days' notice of the plan.

'Can you imagine if we would have waited or taken the chance of leaks over a 30-day period?' Hagel said.

Congress was upset to learn on Monday that 80 to 90 people in the Obama administration knew of the exchange - but that no Republicans or Democrats in the House were told.

'It strikes me as unfortunate that they could have 80 to 90 people in the administration aware of what was happening and not be able to trust a single Republican or Democrat in the House or the Senate,' Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR), said, Reuters points out.

''There was a sense of anger that members of Congress didnít know about this,' Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) said to reporters after the briefing, ABC notes. 'Obviously, if there is secure information ó members of Congress knew about the capture of Osama bin Laden ó and yet 80 to 90 staff in the White House knew about this.'

Hagel is expected to defend the prisoner exchange on Wednesday in an appearance before the House Armed Services Committee.
Can someone show me where the WH "shifted blame to Hagel"?

This is the closest I can find--
'They indicated (it was) Secretary Hagel (who made the final call),' Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA) said after a classified briefing, ABC points out.

One guy saying "they indicated." Who indicated? WTF is "indicated?"
What nonsense.

Try reading before posting. It won't kill you.
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Old 06-10-2014, 12:37 PM   #43
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Its just such a typical, punk Barry move... he's not even up for re-election, why not just own it and tell everyone to pound sand, like most guys on their way out would?

His spine is made out of celery.
Such a typical, punk scott free move...making up circumstances that don't exist and then reacting to the made-up circumstances like an irrational loon.
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Old 06-10-2014, 12:40 PM   #44
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Can someone show me where the WH "shifted blame to Hagel"?

This is the closest I can find--
'They indicated (it was) Secretary Hagel (who made the final call),' Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA) said after a classified briefing, ABC points out.

One guy saying "they indicated." Who indicated? WTF is "indicated?"
What nonsense.

Try reading before posting. It won't kill you.
Based on the way people jump to conclusions and are so eager to despise every single thing Obama does, i can very easily see how this could occur:

Some WH guy: "Based on the intelligence and advise gathered by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel and his staff, President Obama decided to move forward with the prisoner exchange"

Buck McKeon: "See, the president is blaming Chuck Hagel for this".
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Old 06-10-2014, 12:41 PM   #45
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Again, there is no evidence to support what this politician said is true. None.

All of this outrage based on absolutely nothing.

It's amazing how people WANT to hate Obama. I understand that he's ****ed up on several things and people have their reasons to dislike him, but if you guys are going to rake him over the coals, at least have a legitimate, logical reason.

The OP doesn't give a good reason, sorry. There's nothing factual in there, therefore all of the bitching in this thread sounds extremely petty and bias.
Well I wouldn't describe the words of my post as "outrage"... but I would describe them as pointing out typical Barry, if this proves to be true of course.

Having said that, I'm glad you recognize that there are many other legit reasons why people have really soured on this guy... if I had to sum up his character very shortly it would go something like...

"Feckless, bends and breaks in the slightest wind of resistance on many issues".
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