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Old 06-11-2014, 03:04 PM  
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Oklahoma Tea Party Candidate Supports Stoning Gay People to Death

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2..._to_death.html

Given how savagely anti-gay the mainstream Oklahoma Republican party is, itís no surprise that the stateís Tea Partiers are so rabidly hateful that they come across more as dark satire than as serious bigots. To wit: This week, an Oklahoma magazine discovered that last summer, Tea Party state House candidate Scott Esk endorsed stoning gay people to death: ďI think we would be totally in the right to do it,Ē he said in a Facebook post. Esk went on to add nuance to his position:

That [stoning gay people to death] goes against some parts of libertarianism, I realize, and Iím largely libertarian, but ignoring as a nation things that are worthy of death is very remiss.

When a Facebook user messaged Esk to clarify further, he responded:

I never said I would author legislation to put homosexuals to death, but I didnít have a problem with it.

Understandably unnerved, the magazine called up Esk for clarification. Although Esk claimed he didnít remember the comments, he fleshed out his views:

That was done in the Old Testament under a law that came directly from God and in that time there it was totally just. It came directly from God. I have no plans to reinstitute that in Oklahoma law. I do have some very huge moral misgivings about those kinds of sins.

Pressed one final time about his position on stoning gay human beings to death, Esk dug in his heels:

I know what was done in the Old Testament and what was done back then was whatís just. Ö And I do stand for Biblical morality.

I am impressed that Esk has some understanding of the concept of morality. But I am not quite certain that his views square with modern notions of the concept. I do suspect, however, that Eskís beliefs arenít all that far from the other state-level Republicans in the region, who recently attempted to push through the most extreme piece of anti-gay legislation America has ever witnessed. Perhaps our criticism of Esk, then, is really misguided: Rather than chastising him for his seemingly extremist views, we should be thanking him for saying what so many of his political associates are likely thinking.

Mark Joseph Stern is a writer for Slate. He covers science, the law, and LGBTQ issues.
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:47 PM   #16
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:48 PM   #17
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The title specifically notes a single tea party candidate; the article discusses this candidate by name. Where, exactly, is the broad brush, other than in your head?
Despite that, this was not your intent particularly following the defeat of Cantor by a TP candidate.
You RINO. You don't fool anyone with your posting history.

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Old 06-11-2014, 03:50 PM   #18
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From the article in the OP:
Yup! The innuendo was there by Pitt--who belongs in the D party.
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:51 PM   #19
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This is where the Democrats are now: Digging everywhere they can to find something, anything, to cling to in order to distract the voters from the wave about to hit the Party this Nov
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:52 PM   #20
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Only Pitt would use a left-wing tactic to paint all Tea Partiers with a broad brush then cite one man who advocates stoning. Classic peanut gallery stuff. Nothing of real substance. Yet, he calls himself a Republican. I think he's confused.

And of course he's mainly capable of only doing a cut and past job.
It is my impression that politicians who are associated with the "Tea Party" seem to have problems with separating Church from State. I am aware that during his clumsy backpedaling he stated: "I have no plans to reinstitute that in Oklahoma law" in reference to killing American citizens based solely on their sexual preference, but I would like to think that most of my fellow countrymen would take issue with doing so.
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:53 PM   #21
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This is where the Democrats are now: Digging everywhere they can to find something, anything, to cling to in order to distract the voters from the wave about to hit the Party this Nov
Had to dig really deep for this one, right?
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:53 PM   #22
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It's a good thing it's an impression -- not a fact. Particularly since your understanding on that part of the BoR's contains some flaws. So I can see you'd make that claim. You're not exactly all that pro-federalism as originally intended. You're more to the left on how you read it.

And let's not forget that the Tea Party was started by Ron Paul libertarians and his followers who do not endorse stoning of gays by a long shot. So I think you also are confused as to who co-opted the movement and as a result are lumping in with a broad brush as well.
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:55 PM   #23
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Old 06-11-2014, 04:14 PM   #24
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This is where the Democrats are now: Digging everywhere they can to find something, anything, to cling to in order to distract the voters from the wave about to hit the Party this Nov
Yes, just as the NC ( part of the Establishment) wing has been strategizing on the Bergdahl swap.
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Although Esk claimed he didnít remember the comments, he fleshed out his views:

That was done in the Old Testament under a law that came directly from God and in that time there it was totally just. It came directly from God. I have no plans to reinstitute that in Oklahoma law. I do have some very huge moral misgivings about those kinds of sins.

Pressed one final time about his position on stoning gay human beings to death, Esk dug in his heels:

I know what was done in the Old Testament and what was done back then was whatís just. Ö And I do stand for Biblical morality.
It's usually liberals who love to quote but don't understand the Levitical law, but I guess this guy doesn't either.
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Did you see that Obama chewed gum?
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Yup! The innuendo was there by Pitt--who belongs in the D party.
Where did I provide innuendo?
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