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Old 06-11-2014, 10:25 PM  
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Rand Paul comes out for amnesty

Rand Paul throws weight behind immigration reform effort
Makes calls with Grover Norquist seeking conservative support

Sen. Rand Paul on Wednesday waded deeper into an issue that has proved perilous to some of his GOP colleagues, throwing his political weight behind an establishment lobby effort to get Congress to reform the country’s immigration system this year.

Mr. Paul, a libertarian-leaning Republican from Kentucky and possible 2016 presidential hopeful, participated in a telephone conference call to conservative and business leaders in favor of immigration reform in an effort brokered by anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, The Washington Times has learned.

The business group, the Partnership for a New American Economy, immediately blasted an email Wednesday evening to supporters crowing that Mr. Paul had formally joined its pro-reform effort.

The timing of the call only heightened the potential stakes for Mr. Paul just one day after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was shockingly ousted from office in the Virginia Republican primary in favor of a little-known college professor.

Tea party activists who whipped up a get-out-the-vote effort for Mr. Cantor’s opponent said they were motivated by the incumbent’s advocacy for immigration reform, actions on Obamacare and vote to raise the nation’s debt ceiling.

Mr. Cantor was the second high-profile Republican to suffer political damage by stepping forward on the immigration issue. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, another potential presidential contender, lost the support of his tea party base when he advocated a plan for immigration that some argued created a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

Mr. Paul, a longtime favorite of the tea party movement, has made it clear that he believes Congress needs the courage to enact immigration reform. But his latest effort pushed him further into the middle of a strident battle between establishment Republicans like Mr. Norquist who see immigration reform as essential to economic growth, and tea party activists who fear the current efforts in Congress will only lead to de facto amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Those familiar with the efforts to enlist Mr. Paul in the call said if the senator from Kentucky can use his influence with the two factions to find common ground, he would create the base of an expansive coalition to aid his presidential ambitions.

The danger, others noted, is that he could be portrayed as an establishment sympathizer and have some his base turn against him.

One of his chief rivals for tea party affection — both inside the Senate and possibly in the 2016 GOP race — is Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who has made clear that he plans to make Republicans uncomfortable if they gravitate toward amnesty.

Mr. Cruz on Wednesday told TellDC, the video partner of The Washington Times, that the Virginia election was a wake-up call to any elected official who goes against their constituencies’ wishes.

“That election is a lesson to every elected official that if we don’t listen to the people who elected us, our tenure here is limited,” the freshman Republican said.

Mr. Paul, whose supporters style him as a “live and let live” conservative, can use the issue to try to coalesce behind his disparate GOP coalition elements, including tea party backers, traditionalist conservatives, business interests and establishment Republicans.

A top Paul aide confirmed the alliance of Mr. Paul and Mr. Norquist on immigration reform, after The Times received a copy of an email sent to Republicans, Democrats, independents and others thought to be open to some kind of reform.

“Rand made the calls on immigration reform with Grover this morning,” Doug Stafford, who heads Mr. Paul’s political action committee, told The Times.

The email from the group announcing Mr. Paul’s participation opened with a subject line that stated that the senator “adds voice to #CallForReform.”

“Today, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) joined Grover Norquist to talk about the importance of passing immigration reform this year on the second call in a series with conservative leaders,” the group’s executive director, Jeremy Robbins, wrote in the email.

The message went on to note that “Senator Paul follows Sal Russo, co-founder of the Tea Party Express, who launched the series last month by calling for an overhaul of America’s immigration laws this year.”

The email concluded by noting that Mr. Paul and Mr. Russo “join an increasingly large group of conservatives who understand that the future of our economy depends on fixing our outdated immigration reform system.”

Many Americans of all political stripes regard the phrase “immigration reform” as code for granting amnesty to foreigners living in the U.S. illegally.

To some “rule of law” conservatives, it is a swear word. To other conservatives, putting millions of illegal immigrants on the road to legal status and eventually to citizenship is realistic politically and fair for people who flee warlords, drug lords and dysfunctional economies abroad to find work in the U.S.

The Partnership for a New American Economy boasts such high-profile members as former New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, a common foe of gun rights advocates and many other conservatives, and the equally wealthy Rupert Murdoch, the conservative owner of major newspapers and the Fox television family of news and entertainment channels.

The organization’s website claims it “brings together more than 500 Republican, Democratic, and independent mayors and business leaders united in making the economic case for streamlining, modernizing, and rationalizing our immigration system.”

Mr. Paul has been calling for a reform of immigration laws that secures the borders first, provides for a robust guest-worker program and can, under certain conditions, lead to the legalization of those who entered the U.S. without authorization or who overstayed their visas.


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Old 06-11-2014, 10:38 PM   #2
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Honestly, they'll need him in order to get it passed, they're going to need the Rand Pauls to step up. Especially in the wake of losing Cantor.

It's interesting that the piece by rightwing hack media outlet the Washington Times doesn't include a single quote by Paul.
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Old 06-11-2014, 10:39 PM   #3
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Old 06-11-2014, 10:40 PM   #4
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It ain't just Tea Partiers that don't like amnesty--it's just many people. But they want border security first and it hasn't been happening. At least Rand has that part right.
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Old 06-11-2014, 10:58 PM   #5
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I think Rand has staked a pretty good position in this discussion. I'll be interested to see how he navigates compared with how Rubio did.
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Old 06-11-2014, 10:59 PM   #6
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I think Rand has staked a pretty good position in this discussion. I'll be interested to see how he navigates is compared with how Rubio did.
What's his position.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:17 PM   #7
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Not surprising since Rand is a libertarian and they believe stuff like this. He's dead meat now with the base, apparently having leaned nothing from Rubios career suicide.

Cruz will now be able to fully muscle him out of the no-government sector of the Right. It was hard to imagine Rand going anywhere being from Kentucky and having little access to money.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:28 PM   #8
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Not surprising since Rand is a libertarian and they believe stuff like this. He's dead meat now with the base, apparently having leaned nothing from Rubios career suicide.

Cruz will now be able to fully muscle him out of the no-government sector of the Right. It was hard to imagine Rand going anywhere being from Kentucky and having little access to money.
Cruz is way smart. But a nut job. Don't be a nut job. Rand is a nut job as well. Stay clear of nut jobs.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:49 PM   #9
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What specifically is nutty about Cruz? Honestly I don't know, I'm not following him all that closely other than he had a big filibuster and he campaigns for tea partiers

Hopefully Rand gets Cantor'd soon. Then Ryan. Amnesty needs to wipe out all these clowns
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:01 AM   #10
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What specifically is nutty about Cruz? Honestly I don't know, I'm not following him all that closely other than he had a big filibuster and he campaigns for tea partiers

Hopefully Rand gets Cantor'd soon. Then Ryan. Amnesty needs to wipe out all these clowns
Holy shit.
Rand Paul has become too liberal for the ultra-nut crowd.
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Not surprising since Rand is a libertarian and they believe stuff like this. He's dead meat now with the base, apparently having leaned nothing from Rubios career suicide.

Cruz will now be able to fully muscle him out of the no-government sector of the Right. It was hard to imagine Rand going anywhere being from Kentucky and having little access to money.
He's not a libertarian and has come out and said that when libertarians were criticizing him. He is libertarian leaning but doesn't really even go halfway. He's a conservative as he claims with some libertarian stands which he claims. So he is different from conservatives in part.

Anyhow, he claims the word "amnesty" is a trap. Says we need a robust guest worker program but he did not vote for the last immigration reform bill, because it gave presidents too much power in determining if the border was secure. As if we can trust congress on it either when you see these guys talking.

I'd like to see the amendment process started to end birthright citizenship...that would put a stop to a lot of illegal immigration.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:12 AM   #12
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Oh yeah! Rand doesn't think Cantor's loss was due soley to amnesty, especially since Graham survived a challenge easily. I think the case with Graham is that his constituents are just hawkish. Ever see the kind of parades they have in that state? Military worship is strong there. Graham's a fascist ass.

Anyhow, this new influx of children is shocking to people and it's not going to bode well for the politicians, if it continues.
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Not surprising since Rand is a libertarian and they believe stuff like this. He's dead meat now with the base, apparently having leaned nothing from Rubios career suicide.

Cruz will now be able to fully muscle him out of the no-government sector of the Right. It was hard to imagine Rand going anywhere being from Kentucky and having little access to money.
And this is the problem with the tea party. That anyone would view this as career suicide.

Rand Paul is playing this smart. You have to soften your stance on issues that affect significant voting bases if you expect to make any noise in major elections. Sorry if that bothers people.
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Oh yeah! Rand doesn't think Cantor's loss was due soley to amnesty, especially since Graham survived a challenge easily. I think the case with Graham is that his constituents are just hawkish. Ever see the kind of parades they have in that state? Military worship is strong there. Graham's a fascist ass.

Anyhow, this new influx of children is shocking to people and it's not going to bode well for the politicians, if it continues.
Graham didn't face any strong anti-amnesty candidates and he had six challengers. There's never going to be a full 1-1 linear relationship for any poling issue but Cantor got booted at least in some part by amnesty. Hopefully more bootings are kn the way over that issue.

Chuck Schumer did come out and explain why amnesty is good for the GOP. He obv cares about the party's viability.
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What makes Cruz a nut job ??
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