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Old 06-11-2014, 09:25 PM  
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Rand Paul comes out for amnesty

Rand Paul throws weight behind immigration reform effort
Makes calls with Grover Norquist seeking conservative support

Sen. Rand Paul on Wednesday waded deeper into an issue that has proved perilous to some of his GOP colleagues, throwing his political weight behind an establishment lobby effort to get Congress to reform the country’s immigration system this year.

Mr. Paul, a libertarian-leaning Republican from Kentucky and possible 2016 presidential hopeful, participated in a telephone conference call to conservative and business leaders in favor of immigration reform in an effort brokered by anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, The Washington Times has learned.

The business group, the Partnership for a New American Economy, immediately blasted an email Wednesday evening to supporters crowing that Mr. Paul had formally joined its pro-reform effort.

The timing of the call only heightened the potential stakes for Mr. Paul just one day after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was shockingly ousted from office in the Virginia Republican primary in favor of a little-known college professor.

Tea party activists who whipped up a get-out-the-vote effort for Mr. Cantor’s opponent said they were motivated by the incumbent’s advocacy for immigration reform, actions on Obamacare and vote to raise the nation’s debt ceiling.

Mr. Cantor was the second high-profile Republican to suffer political damage by stepping forward on the immigration issue. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, another potential presidential contender, lost the support of his tea party base when he advocated a plan for immigration that some argued created a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

Mr. Paul, a longtime favorite of the tea party movement, has made it clear that he believes Congress needs the courage to enact immigration reform. But his latest effort pushed him further into the middle of a strident battle between establishment Republicans like Mr. Norquist who see immigration reform as essential to economic growth, and tea party activists who fear the current efforts in Congress will only lead to de facto amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Those familiar with the efforts to enlist Mr. Paul in the call said if the senator from Kentucky can use his influence with the two factions to find common ground, he would create the base of an expansive coalition to aid his presidential ambitions.

The danger, others noted, is that he could be portrayed as an establishment sympathizer and have some his base turn against him.

One of his chief rivals for tea party affection — both inside the Senate and possibly in the 2016 GOP race — is Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who has made clear that he plans to make Republicans uncomfortable if they gravitate toward amnesty.

Mr. Cruz on Wednesday told TellDC, the video partner of The Washington Times, that the Virginia election was a wake-up call to any elected official who goes against their constituencies’ wishes.

“That election is a lesson to every elected official that if we don’t listen to the people who elected us, our tenure here is limited,” the freshman Republican said.

Mr. Paul, whose supporters style him as a “live and let live” conservative, can use the issue to try to coalesce behind his disparate GOP coalition elements, including tea party backers, traditionalist conservatives, business interests and establishment Republicans.

A top Paul aide confirmed the alliance of Mr. Paul and Mr. Norquist on immigration reform, after The Times received a copy of an email sent to Republicans, Democrats, independents and others thought to be open to some kind of reform.

“Rand made the calls on immigration reform with Grover this morning,” Doug Stafford, who heads Mr. Paul’s political action committee, told The Times.

The email from the group announcing Mr. Paul’s participation opened with a subject line that stated that the senator “adds voice to #CallForReform.”

“Today, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) joined Grover Norquist to talk about the importance of passing immigration reform this year on the second call in a series with conservative leaders,” the group’s executive director, Jeremy Robbins, wrote in the email.

The message went on to note that “Senator Paul follows Sal Russo, co-founder of the Tea Party Express, who launched the series last month by calling for an overhaul of America’s immigration laws this year.”

The email concluded by noting that Mr. Paul and Mr. Russo “join an increasingly large group of conservatives who understand that the future of our economy depends on fixing our outdated immigration reform system.”

Many Americans of all political stripes regard the phrase “immigration reform” as code for granting amnesty to foreigners living in the U.S. illegally.

To some “rule of law” conservatives, it is a swear word. To other conservatives, putting millions of illegal immigrants on the road to legal status and eventually to citizenship is realistic politically and fair for people who flee warlords, drug lords and dysfunctional economies abroad to find work in the U.S.

The Partnership for a New American Economy boasts such high-profile members as former New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, a common foe of gun rights advocates and many other conservatives, and the equally wealthy Rupert Murdoch, the conservative owner of major newspapers and the Fox television family of news and entertainment channels.

The organization’s website claims it “brings together more than 500 Republican, Democratic, and independent mayors and business leaders united in making the economic case for streamlining, modernizing, and rationalizing our immigration system.”

Mr. Paul has been calling for a reform of immigration laws that secures the borders first, provides for a robust guest-worker program and can, under certain conditions, lead to the legalization of those who entered the U.S. without authorization or who overstayed their visas.


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Old 06-11-2014, 11:23 PM   #16
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Basically Rand want to increase border control while simultaneously increasing legal immigration. He doesn't back "path to citizenship" legislation and strips it when he can saying that we've already got a path to citizenship, and those who want to become citizens need to use it. That said, he also recognizes that as a nation we're not going to be able to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

His plan to deal with all this is as follows:

1. A real solution means borders are secure. Paul wants to create a task force that includes the border patrol and the investigator general. The border security plan is certified by this task force, and is then brought to congress yearly for review (trust but verfiy), input, and re-vote. Paul wants to make border security an active, ongoing engagement to avoid what happened in the 80's. As border security increases, more visas are granted.

2. What becomes of the 12 million illegal immigrants - Work visas for those who are here and are willing to come out of the shadows, get documented, and work. A bipartisan congressional panel would determine the number of visas per year. Skilled labor gets priority on the visas. Everyone who comes forward, though, are on probation (they broke the law, afterall). If they break probation, they get deported. Simple as that.

3. No special path to citizenship. "Registered Provisional Immigrants" can stay as long as their visas are valid, but if they want to be citizens, they must apply through regular legal channels. Provisionals would get no advantages over those seeking to immigrate from outside the country. There is already a path to how people become citizens. The increase or decrease in the flow of this would depend on the border security report and the congressional vote each year on the plan - expanding it or contracting it as needed for border security.

Personally, I think if an immigration deal is ever struck, it will happen through Rand Paul. I think he could get enough on both sides to get this plan done, and don't see another politician on the field that could say the same.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:24 PM   #17
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Chuck Schumer did come out and explain why amnesty is good for the GOP. He obv cares about the party's viability.
The Marxist Dems care very much that RINOs stay in power because the RINOs play footsie with them which still allows their Progressive/Marxist agenda to continue to move forward.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:25 PM   #18
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Has Rand been co-opted ???
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:37 PM   #19
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Has Rand been co-opted ???
I've been wondering this myself.

He never mentions that we subsidize the problem as his father did. What you subsidize you get more of. I hear nothing on getting rid of federal govt mandates forcing states to provide benefits to them. IMO, these things are the biggest lures. Securing the border comes AFTER that and would be easier to deal with.

I don't mind a guest worker program--if we resolve our economic malaise because there would be a rise in demand for labor. But Rand certainly seems to be selling an amnesty program of some sort WITHOUT really solving the problem enough. I just don't know enough details EXCEPT that does support border security first which is what people want BEFORE immigration reform.
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3. No special path to citizenship. "Registered Provisional Immigrants" can stay as long as their visas are valid, but if they want to be citizens, they must apply through regular legal channels. Provisionals would get no advantages over those seeking to immigrate from outside the country. There is already a path to how people become citizens. The increase or decrease in the flow of this would depend on the border security report and the congressional vote each year on the plan - expanding it or contracting it as needed for border security.

Personally, I think if an immigration deal is ever struck, it will happen through Rand Paul. I think he could get enough on both sides to get this plan done, and don't see another politician on the field that could say the same.
To my knowledge he does support a path to citizenship. I just don't know the details. He needs to address what the cause is--and it's that they are subsidized. Welfare is the main lure just as much as work. Do you think those children tossed over here, are here to work?
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:59 PM   #21
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To my knowledge he does support a path to citizenship.
No he doesn't. He says there already is a path to citizenship. We don't need to create something that already exists. He strips out path to citizenship when he gets the chance to.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:01 AM   #22
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Also, Rand Paul does believe in deportation. He just doesn't believe we're going to be able to have a mass deportation of 12 million illegals.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:12 AM   #23
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What specifically is nutty about Cruz? Honestly I don't know, I'm not following him all that closely other than he had a big filibuster and he campaigns for tea partiers

Hopefully Rand gets Cantor'd soon. Then Ryan. Amnesty needs to wipe out all these clowns
He also cheerled the shutdown.
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The shut down was awesome.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:32 AM   #25
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The shut down was awesome.
you go ahead and keep thinking that...and losing national elections.
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you go ahead and keep thinking that...and losing national elections.
*shrug*

Whatever.
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when does the non citizens/ surpass the Citizens

What about all the people that go through the process of waiting and filing papers?

Buying votes the old democratic way
No need to have legit ID to vote with these ass clowns in office, retain power at all costs

Try going to another country without passport, papers or ID.

Next plan get the marine out of the Mexican jail in exchange for 12 million amnesty I have my pen and phone POS

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Old 06-12-2014, 06:18 AM   #28
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It will be amusing to watch all these Paul types flip for amnesty, that's for sure
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He also cheerled the shutdown.
Awesome act. The man has balls and means what he says.
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It will be amusing to watch all these Paul types flip for amnesty, that's for sure
I haven't. There's been Paul types here, in the period before you slithered back in here, who have already expressed disappointment with Rand on some other issues. I was one of them. He is not his father. However, he at least is not a warmonger either. The kind you like to support.
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