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Rand Paul comes out for amnesty

Rand Paul throws weight behind immigration reform effort
Makes calls with Grover Norquist seeking conservative support

Sen. Rand Paul on Wednesday waded deeper into an issue that has proved perilous to some of his GOP colleagues, throwing his political weight behind an establishment lobby effort to get Congress to reform the country’s immigration system this year.

Mr. Paul, a libertarian-leaning Republican from Kentucky and possible 2016 presidential hopeful, participated in a telephone conference call to conservative and business leaders in favor of immigration reform in an effort brokered by anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, The Washington Times has learned.

The business group, the Partnership for a New American Economy, immediately blasted an email Wednesday evening to supporters crowing that Mr. Paul had formally joined its pro-reform effort.

The timing of the call only heightened the potential stakes for Mr. Paul just one day after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was shockingly ousted from office in the Virginia Republican primary in favor of a little-known college professor.

Tea party activists who whipped up a get-out-the-vote effort for Mr. Cantor’s opponent said they were motivated by the incumbent’s advocacy for immigration reform, actions on Obamacare and vote to raise the nation’s debt ceiling.

Mr. Cantor was the second high-profile Republican to suffer political damage by stepping forward on the immigration issue. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, another potential presidential contender, lost the support of his tea party base when he advocated a plan for immigration that some argued created a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

Mr. Paul, a longtime favorite of the tea party movement, has made it clear that he believes Congress needs the courage to enact immigration reform. But his latest effort pushed him further into the middle of a strident battle between establishment Republicans like Mr. Norquist who see immigration reform as essential to economic growth, and tea party activists who fear the current efforts in Congress will only lead to de facto amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Those familiar with the efforts to enlist Mr. Paul in the call said if the senator from Kentucky can use his influence with the two factions to find common ground, he would create the base of an expansive coalition to aid his presidential ambitions.

The danger, others noted, is that he could be portrayed as an establishment sympathizer and have some his base turn against him.

One of his chief rivals for tea party affection — both inside the Senate and possibly in the 2016 GOP race — is Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who has made clear that he plans to make Republicans uncomfortable if they gravitate toward amnesty.

Mr. Cruz on Wednesday told TellDC, the video partner of The Washington Times, that the Virginia election was a wake-up call to any elected official who goes against their constituencies’ wishes.

“That election is a lesson to every elected official that if we don’t listen to the people who elected us, our tenure here is limited,” the freshman Republican said.

Mr. Paul, whose supporters style him as a “live and let live” conservative, can use the issue to try to coalesce behind his disparate GOP coalition elements, including tea party backers, traditionalist conservatives, business interests and establishment Republicans.

A top Paul aide confirmed the alliance of Mr. Paul and Mr. Norquist on immigration reform, after The Times received a copy of an email sent to Republicans, Democrats, independents and others thought to be open to some kind of reform.

“Rand made the calls on immigration reform with Grover this morning,” Doug Stafford, who heads Mr. Paul’s political action committee, told The Times.

The email from the group announcing Mr. Paul’s participation opened with a subject line that stated that the senator “adds voice to #CallForReform.”

“Today, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) joined Grover Norquist to talk about the importance of passing immigration reform this year on the second call in a series with conservative leaders,” the group’s executive director, Jeremy Robbins, wrote in the email.

The message went on to note that “Senator Paul follows Sal Russo, co-founder of the Tea Party Express, who launched the series last month by calling for an overhaul of America’s immigration laws this year.”

The email concluded by noting that Mr. Paul and Mr. Russo “join an increasingly large group of conservatives who understand that the future of our economy depends on fixing our outdated immigration reform system.”

Many Americans of all political stripes regard the phrase “immigration reform” as code for granting amnesty to foreigners living in the U.S. illegally.

To some “rule of law” conservatives, it is a swear word. To other conservatives, putting millions of illegal immigrants on the road to legal status and eventually to citizenship is realistic politically and fair for people who flee warlords, drug lords and dysfunctional economies abroad to find work in the U.S.

The Partnership for a New American Economy boasts such high-profile members as former New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, a common foe of gun rights advocates and many other conservatives, and the equally wealthy Rupert Murdoch, the conservative owner of major newspapers and the Fox television family of news and entertainment channels.

The organization’s website claims it “brings together more than 500 Republican, Democratic, and independent mayors and business leaders united in making the economic case for streamlining, modernizing, and rationalizing our immigration system.”

Mr. Paul has been calling for a reform of immigration laws that secures the borders first, provides for a robust guest-worker program and can, under certain conditions, lead to the legalization of those who entered the U.S. without authorization or who overstayed their visas.


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Old 06-12-2014, 10:05 AM   #46
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I only support amnesty as far as a green card. If you use criminal entry to establish residence here, that should prevent you from ever becoming a citizen.
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Old 06-12-2014, 10:06 AM   #47
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:35 AM   #48
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What makes Cruz a nut job ??
Cruz's approach is to pout like a child to get his way. His antics are funny and praised to his limited base, but extremely polarizing to everyone else. He lacks any kind of social awareness. His approach to opposing the president was to make a mockery with a green eggs and ham filibuster. Rand Paul filibustered with an impassionate plea that even won over liberals. Ted Cruz chose to actively oppose compromise during the government shutdown which came off as insensitive to those whose jobs were actually on the line, whereas Rand Paul got hot mic'ed muttering words about giving Obama a few things but not completely giving in.

Two completely different approaches. One guy gets it, the other acts like a child. What worries the shit out of me is that whenever Paul maneuvers politically, he gets bashed by the base. Cruz has no interest in political maneuvering. And this is exactly my concern about the tea party. They have to understand there is gamesmanship to how things are done. I wasn't a huge fan of Rand Paul but am growing to like him because he is recognizing that he will never get anything done if he follows the Cruz path of stonewalling often in an Uber condescending way.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:13 PM   #49
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RAND PAUL: SECURE THE BORDER

By Rand Paul 6/12//2014

I am for immigration reform because I am against allowing 12 million more illegal immigrants into our country. If we do nothing, 12 million more illegal immigrants will come. We must be in favor of reform—smart reform that starts with border security.

Characterizing that position as "amnesty" is simply untrue.

What we have now is a lawless border. Current policy is a beacon for more illegal immigrants. The Obama administration’s lawless executive orders legalizing people who came here illegally will only encourage more illegal immigration—unless we act now with real, strong, verifiable border security.
I am for immigration reform because what we have now is untenable. I voted against the Gang of Eight’s comprehensive immigration reform bill because it did not secure the border first. I will only support reform that has border security first as verifiable and ascertained by Congress, not the president.

My plan will not give the president the authority to simply declare that the border is secure. It will require yearly votes of Congress to ensure the president doesn't get around the law.
My "Trust but Verify" plan will ensure that our border is secure. Under my plan, national security and border security will move as the first element of any reform and would require annual votes of Congress to establish that the border is truly secure. No other reform could go forward until this happened.

In addition to increased border security, our nation needs to modernize our visa system. We need to know who comes and goes on travel, student, and other temporary visas. There must be a workable system to ensure that visitors don't use travel visas as a way to enter the country then disappear. This will address the problem of visa over-stayers.

National security has to be a cornerstone to any border security and visa reform initiative. Our nation needs to look back at the September 11th Commission Report and study the recommendations regarding terrorists' use of visas to commit acts of violence against America. The 9/11 hijackers used visas to enter the country and to stay here while planning attacks.

Strong border security includes using cutting edge technology. Satellites, physical barriers, screening to bar criminals and terrorists from entry, increased patrols on the border—and yes, surveillance drones—all should be part of a comprehensive plan to physically protect the border. My plan is to take specific measures at the border and then have the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General's Office produce a report to Congress on the progress of border security.

My plan takes border security a step further than anybody else in Congress. Under my plan, Congress will vote every year on border security. If Congress votes that the border is not secure, elements of immigration reform will cease to go forward and visa programs will be slowed. If Congress does not think the border is secure after five years, every element of immigration reform will be stopped.

Our nation is a nation of immigrants. Throughout history, our nation has been flooded with immigrants who have moved here with a flavor for the home country, yet they have assimilated into what we know today as America. That idea, and the American Dream, must be protected and preserved.

Immigrants are drawn to the magnet of free market capitalism here in the United States. Our nation should have open arms to immigrants who want to come her and work hard to make a new life in a free nation. As a libertarian-minded senator, I am attracted to the idea of somebody coming to this country with a couple dollars in his pocket, and then through hard work, make the American Dream a reality.

I do not support amnesty, which is why I don't support our current system with no border security and a blind eye to the problem.

I support legal, not illegal, immigration. We must embrace immigration and immigrants, and we must recognize that our country has been enriched by those who seek the freedom to make better lives for themselves. However, our current system is broken, and we cannot move towards reform until our border is truly and fully secure.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:21 PM   #50
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RAND PAUL: SECURE THE BORDER

By Rand Paul 6/12//2014

I am for immigration reform because I am against allowing 12 million more illegal immigrants into our country. If we do nothing, 12 million more illegal immigrants will come. We must be in favor of reform—smart reform that starts with border security.

Characterizing that position as "amnesty" is simply untrue.

What we have now is a lawless border. Current policy is a beacon for more illegal immigrants. The Obama administration’s lawless executive orders legalizing people who came here illegally will only encourage more illegal immigration—unless we act now with real, strong, verifiable border security.
I am for immigration reform because what we have now is untenable. I voted against the Gang of Eight’s comprehensive immigration reform bill because it did not secure the border first. I will only support reform that has border security first as verifiable and ascertained by Congress, not the president.

My plan will not give the president the authority to simply declare that the border is secure. It will require yearly votes of Congress to ensure the president doesn't get around the law.
My "Trust but Verify" plan will ensure that our border is secure. Under my plan, national security and border security will move as the first element of any reform and would require annual votes of Congress to establish that the border is truly secure. No other reform could go forward until this happened.

In addition to increased border security, our nation needs to modernize our visa system. We need to know who comes and goes on travel, student, and other temporary visas. There must be a workable system to ensure that visitors don't use travel visas as a way to enter the country then disappear. This will address the problem of visa over-stayers.

National security has to be a cornerstone to any border security and visa reform initiative. Our nation needs to look back at the September 11th Commission Report and study the recommendations regarding terrorists' use of visas to commit acts of violence against America. The 9/11 hijackers used visas to enter the country and to stay here while planning attacks.

Strong border security includes using cutting edge technology. Satellites, physical barriers, screening to bar criminals and terrorists from entry, increased patrols on the border—and yes, surveillance drones—all should be part of a comprehensive plan to physically protect the border. My plan is to take specific measures at the border and then have the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General's Office produce a report to Congress on the progress of border security.

My plan takes border security a step further than anybody else in Congress. Under my plan, Congress will vote every year on border security. If Congress votes that the border is not secure, elements of immigration reform will cease to go forward and visa programs will be slowed. If Congress does not think the border is secure after five years, every element of immigration reform will be stopped.

Our nation is a nation of immigrants. Throughout history, our nation has been flooded with immigrants who have moved here with a flavor for the home country, yet they have assimilated into what we know today as America. That idea, and the American Dream, must be protected and preserved.

Immigrants are drawn to the magnet of free market capitalism here in the United States. Our nation should have open arms to immigrants who want to come her and work hard to make a new life in a free nation. As a libertarian-minded senator, I am attracted to the idea of somebody coming to this country with a couple dollars in his pocket, and then through hard work, make the American Dream a reality.

I do not support amnesty, which is why I don't support our current system with no border security and a blind eye to the problem.

I support legal, not illegal, immigration. We must embrace immigration and immigrants, and we must recognize that our country has been enriched by those who seek the freedom to make better lives for themselves. However, our current system is broken, and we cannot move towards reform until our border is truly and fully secure.
I think Rand’s position will be fairly well received. I sure sounds better than I’m going to lower the number of illegal immigrants by making them legal with a swoop of my pen.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:52 PM   #51
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I think Rand’s position will be fairly well received. I sure sounds better than I’m going to lower the number of illegal immigrants by making them legal with a swoop of my pen.
I think so too. I don't see anyone criticizing him offering a solution that has any legs.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:57 PM   #52
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II think my additional points has legs...and it even comes from Ron Paul. The welfare lures have to also be addressed 'cause it's tough and expensive to ever secure that border by working on the border alone.
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Why must we "embrace immigrants"? Why is that a "must"? I don't want any moving here and the economic crisis we are in with jobs should make it imperative nobody comes for quite sometime even if you do like immigrants. Everyone knows there aren't jobs for them.
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:01 PM   #54
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So let's say Rand somehow gets elected president:

If we have enough reps in Congress like this Brat's guy, who are not rubber-stamp Republicans for a Republican president, then they push a few more points onto Rand's plan. How could that be so bad?

I'd like to see a sweep of Brats type; even if mixed with Rand types on this issue, so an amendment process can be introduced to end birthright citizenship. Even welfare for illegals but at least the former.
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Why must we "embrace immigrants"? Why is that a "must"? I don't want any moving here and the economic crisis we are in with jobs should make it imperative nobody comes for quite sometime even if you do like immigrants. Everyone knows there aren't jobs for them.
I think we're talking illegal immigrants.

I think part of the thinking on embracing them, is they can fund SS and other entitlements than they can be with no immigrants. We have to have some immigration, I just prefer they be legal and not rewarded for coming in illegally. It rewards that behavior.
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II think my additional points has legs...and it even comes from Ron Paul. The welfare lures have to also be addressed 'cause it's tough and expensive to ever secure that border by working on the border alone.
I don't think it has any legs at all. I completely agree that we need to reform the welfare state, but believing that we can accomplish that as part of immigration reform - I don't know why you would think that's even a remote possibility.
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Why must we "embrace immigrants"? Why is that a "must"? I don't want any moving here and the economic crisis we are in with jobs should make it imperative nobody comes for quite sometime even if you do like immigrants. Everyone knows there aren't jobs for them.
You don't have to. I am. My family on both sides were immigrants. Immigration is great and makes this country great because we end up getting the best, brightest and hardest working.

There are absolutely tons of jobs for immigrants. That's the whole point that Mark Zuckerberg made when he went to visit the president. There are literally millions of tech jobs available now that companies cant fill with the existing work force, and sucking the brains out of other countries makes us stronger, not weaker.
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I don't think it has any legs at all. I completely agree that we need to reform the welfare state, but believing that we can accomplish that as part of immigration reform - I don't know why you would think that's even a remote possibility.
Well, I am not talking about reforming the welfare state itself. Don't know how you got that. I'm talking about providing it to illegals. The federal govt mandates that states provide them medical care and other benefits etc. That's something that would help and ending birthright citizenship. That's all I am talking about--not the entire welfare state. That's much too big a project.
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Dems want more immigrants because they will typically vote for them and suck off the government tit. Republicans are stupid to play into there hand.
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Why must we "embrace immigrants"? Why is that a "must"?

Because they enrich our country.
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