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Rand Paul comes out for amnesty

Rand Paul throws weight behind immigration reform effort
Makes calls with Grover Norquist seeking conservative support

Sen. Rand Paul on Wednesday waded deeper into an issue that has proved perilous to some of his GOP colleagues, throwing his political weight behind an establishment lobby effort to get Congress to reform the country’s immigration system this year.

Mr. Paul, a libertarian-leaning Republican from Kentucky and possible 2016 presidential hopeful, participated in a telephone conference call to conservative and business leaders in favor of immigration reform in an effort brokered by anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, The Washington Times has learned.

The business group, the Partnership for a New American Economy, immediately blasted an email Wednesday evening to supporters crowing that Mr. Paul had formally joined its pro-reform effort.

The timing of the call only heightened the potential stakes for Mr. Paul just one day after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was shockingly ousted from office in the Virginia Republican primary in favor of a little-known college professor.

Tea party activists who whipped up a get-out-the-vote effort for Mr. Cantor’s opponent said they were motivated by the incumbent’s advocacy for immigration reform, actions on Obamacare and vote to raise the nation’s debt ceiling.

Mr. Cantor was the second high-profile Republican to suffer political damage by stepping forward on the immigration issue. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, another potential presidential contender, lost the support of his tea party base when he advocated a plan for immigration that some argued created a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

Mr. Paul, a longtime favorite of the tea party movement, has made it clear that he believes Congress needs the courage to enact immigration reform. But his latest effort pushed him further into the middle of a strident battle between establishment Republicans like Mr. Norquist who see immigration reform as essential to economic growth, and tea party activists who fear the current efforts in Congress will only lead to de facto amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Those familiar with the efforts to enlist Mr. Paul in the call said if the senator from Kentucky can use his influence with the two factions to find common ground, he would create the base of an expansive coalition to aid his presidential ambitions.

The danger, others noted, is that he could be portrayed as an establishment sympathizer and have some his base turn against him.

One of his chief rivals for tea party affection — both inside the Senate and possibly in the 2016 GOP race — is Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who has made clear that he plans to make Republicans uncomfortable if they gravitate toward amnesty.

Mr. Cruz on Wednesday told TellDC, the video partner of The Washington Times, that the Virginia election was a wake-up call to any elected official who goes against their constituencies’ wishes.

“That election is a lesson to every elected official that if we don’t listen to the people who elected us, our tenure here is limited,” the freshman Republican said.

Mr. Paul, whose supporters style him as a “live and let live” conservative, can use the issue to try to coalesce behind his disparate GOP coalition elements, including tea party backers, traditionalist conservatives, business interests and establishment Republicans.

A top Paul aide confirmed the alliance of Mr. Paul and Mr. Norquist on immigration reform, after The Times received a copy of an email sent to Republicans, Democrats, independents and others thought to be open to some kind of reform.

“Rand made the calls on immigration reform with Grover this morning,” Doug Stafford, who heads Mr. Paul’s political action committee, told The Times.

The email from the group announcing Mr. Paul’s participation opened with a subject line that stated that the senator “adds voice to #CallForReform.”

“Today, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) joined Grover Norquist to talk about the importance of passing immigration reform this year on the second call in a series with conservative leaders,” the group’s executive director, Jeremy Robbins, wrote in the email.

The message went on to note that “Senator Paul follows Sal Russo, co-founder of the Tea Party Express, who launched the series last month by calling for an overhaul of America’s immigration laws this year.”

The email concluded by noting that Mr. Paul and Mr. Russo “join an increasingly large group of conservatives who understand that the future of our economy depends on fixing our outdated immigration reform system.”

Many Americans of all political stripes regard the phrase “immigration reform” as code for granting amnesty to foreigners living in the U.S. illegally.

To some “rule of law” conservatives, it is a swear word. To other conservatives, putting millions of illegal immigrants on the road to legal status and eventually to citizenship is realistic politically and fair for people who flee warlords, drug lords and dysfunctional economies abroad to find work in the U.S.

The Partnership for a New American Economy boasts such high-profile members as former New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, a common foe of gun rights advocates and many other conservatives, and the equally wealthy Rupert Murdoch, the conservative owner of major newspapers and the Fox television family of news and entertainment channels.

The organization’s website claims it “brings together more than 500 Republican, Democratic, and independent mayors and business leaders united in making the economic case for streamlining, modernizing, and rationalizing our immigration system.”

Mr. Paul has been calling for a reform of immigration laws that secures the borders first, provides for a robust guest-worker program and can, under certain conditions, lead to the legalization of those who entered the U.S. without authorization or who overstayed their visas.


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Old 06-12-2014, 12:52 PM   #61
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You don't have to. I am. My family on both sides were immigrants. Immigration is great and makes this country great because we end up getting the best, brightest and hardest working.

There are absolutely tons of jobs for immigrants. That's the whole point that Mark Zuckerberg made when he went to visit the president. There are literally millions of tech jobs available now that companies cant fill with the existing work force, and sucking the brains out of other countries makes us stronger, not weaker.
Everyone's family on all sides are immigrants. Even the "Native Americans" came from a different continent.
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...so an amendment process can be introduced to end birthright citizenship.

That will never happen.
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:02 PM   #63
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That will never happen.
Never say never. It just hasn't been pushed enough.
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:03 PM   #64
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Never say never. It just hasn't been pushed enough.

Think about it. How hard did you work for your American citizenship?
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Dems want more immigrants because they will typically vote for them and suck off the government tit. Republicans are stupid to play into there hand.
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So let's say Rand somehow gets elected president:

If we have enough reps in Congress like this Brat's guy, who are not rubber-stamp Republicans for a Republican president, then they push a few more points onto Rand's plan. How could that be so bad?

I'd like to see a sweep of Brats type; even if mixed with Rand types on this issue, so an amendment process can be introduced to end birthright citizenship. Even welfare for illegals but at least the former.
Ending birthright citizenship would end Welfare for the Children of Illegals by default.

Illegals can't, and don't receive welfare.

Only American Citizens have access to Welfare.
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Think about it. How hard did you work for your American citizenship?
I was born here to American citizens and a father's family who legally immigrated. If someone's parents come in illegally before others who have waited and did it legally, they should not have the benefit of their children having birthright citizenship automatically, imo. I don't think it's fair. I am talking for illegals not for others.
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I was born here to American citizens and a father's family who legally immigrated. If they come in illegally before others who have waited and did it legally, they should not have the benefit of their children have birthright citizenship, imo. I don't think it's fair.
You did the same thing that these children you mention did to become American citizens. The same thing that I did. Which is nothing.
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I was born here to American citizens and a father's family who legally immigrated. If someone's parents come in illegally before others who have waited and did it legally, they should not have the benefit of their children having birthright citizenship automatically, imo. I don't think it's fair. I am talking for illegals not for others.
Im undecided on the birhtright issue. If two illegals came over and had two children...well...now you have 4 Illegals instead of 2. You just exacerbated the problem.
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I was born here to American citizens and a father's family who legally immigrated. If someone's parents come in illegally before others who have waited and did it legally, they should not have the benefit of their children having birthright citizenship automatically, imo. I don't think it's fair. I am talking for illegals not for others.


For someone who is so fond of the "life isn't fair" line for economic related stuff, it's quite humorous to see you say it's not fair here.

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Im undecided on the birhtright issue. If two illegals came over and had two children...well...now you have 4 Illegals instead of 2. You just exacerbated the problem.
If you really want to split hairs you can give the parents the option of choosing. The kids get the same citizenship as the parents, or the kids become wards of the State and the parents get deported.
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If you really want to split hairs you can give the parents the option of choosing. The kids get the same citizenship as the parents, or the kids become wards of the State and the parents get deported.
Again, you've created yet another problem. The goal is to get rid of the problem, not create new ones.
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Ending birthright citizenship would end Welfare for the Children of Illegals by default.

Illegals can't, and don't receive welfare.

Only American Citizens have access to Welfare.
The federal govt has mandates on states that they have to be provided free medical care and education per Ron Paul.

Ron Paul proposed the following action steps for dealing with illegal immigration:
1.Abolish the welfare state.
[ I agree this is not possible currently.]
The incentive to take a job at whatever wage available must prevail.

2.Establish a generous visitor work program.
Once we solve the economic crisis by introducing sound money, demand for domestic and immigrant labor will rise.

3. Enforce the laws on the books with more border guards.
Allow states and landowners to enforce the law and provide security assistance.

4. Abolish birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants.
Current U.S. citizens will not be affected. Instead, babies born to illegals after a future cutoff date will no longer gain automatic U.S. citizenship. They will still have citizenship in their parents' home countries.

5.End all federal mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care for illegal immigrants.
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/border-security/
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Again, you've created yet another problem. The goal is to get rid of the problem, not create new ones.
Given the existence of the four people you mentioned (two parents, two kids), the problem already exists.
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Im undecided on the birhtright issue. If two illegals came over and had two children...well...now you have 4 Illegals instead of 2. You just exacerbated the problem.
I don't agree.

It takes away a reward which removes the incentive to come illegally. The idea is to discourage--not just use border patrols which is nearly impossible to do completely. No system is going to be 100% perfect but this certainly would be a discouraging factor. It would just be one facet the other is no free medical care or education.
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