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Rand Paul comes out for amnesty

Rand Paul throws weight behind immigration reform effort
Makes calls with Grover Norquist seeking conservative support

Sen. Rand Paul on Wednesday waded deeper into an issue that has proved perilous to some of his GOP colleagues, throwing his political weight behind an establishment lobby effort to get Congress to reform the country’s immigration system this year.

Mr. Paul, a libertarian-leaning Republican from Kentucky and possible 2016 presidential hopeful, participated in a telephone conference call to conservative and business leaders in favor of immigration reform in an effort brokered by anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, The Washington Times has learned.

The business group, the Partnership for a New American Economy, immediately blasted an email Wednesday evening to supporters crowing that Mr. Paul had formally joined its pro-reform effort.

The timing of the call only heightened the potential stakes for Mr. Paul just one day after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was shockingly ousted from office in the Virginia Republican primary in favor of a little-known college professor.

Tea party activists who whipped up a get-out-the-vote effort for Mr. Cantor’s opponent said they were motivated by the incumbent’s advocacy for immigration reform, actions on Obamacare and vote to raise the nation’s debt ceiling.

Mr. Cantor was the second high-profile Republican to suffer political damage by stepping forward on the immigration issue. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, another potential presidential contender, lost the support of his tea party base when he advocated a plan for immigration that some argued created a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

Mr. Paul, a longtime favorite of the tea party movement, has made it clear that he believes Congress needs the courage to enact immigration reform. But his latest effort pushed him further into the middle of a strident battle between establishment Republicans like Mr. Norquist who see immigration reform as essential to economic growth, and tea party activists who fear the current efforts in Congress will only lead to de facto amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Those familiar with the efforts to enlist Mr. Paul in the call said if the senator from Kentucky can use his influence with the two factions to find common ground, he would create the base of an expansive coalition to aid his presidential ambitions.

The danger, others noted, is that he could be portrayed as an establishment sympathizer and have some his base turn against him.

One of his chief rivals for tea party affection — both inside the Senate and possibly in the 2016 GOP race — is Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who has made clear that he plans to make Republicans uncomfortable if they gravitate toward amnesty.

Mr. Cruz on Wednesday told TellDC, the video partner of The Washington Times, that the Virginia election was a wake-up call to any elected official who goes against their constituencies’ wishes.

“That election is a lesson to every elected official that if we don’t listen to the people who elected us, our tenure here is limited,” the freshman Republican said.

Mr. Paul, whose supporters style him as a “live and let live” conservative, can use the issue to try to coalesce behind his disparate GOP coalition elements, including tea party backers, traditionalist conservatives, business interests and establishment Republicans.

A top Paul aide confirmed the alliance of Mr. Paul and Mr. Norquist on immigration reform, after The Times received a copy of an email sent to Republicans, Democrats, independents and others thought to be open to some kind of reform.

“Rand made the calls on immigration reform with Grover this morning,” Doug Stafford, who heads Mr. Paul’s political action committee, told The Times.

The email from the group announcing Mr. Paul’s participation opened with a subject line that stated that the senator “adds voice to #CallForReform.”

“Today, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) joined Grover Norquist to talk about the importance of passing immigration reform this year on the second call in a series with conservative leaders,” the group’s executive director, Jeremy Robbins, wrote in the email.

The message went on to note that “Senator Paul follows Sal Russo, co-founder of the Tea Party Express, who launched the series last month by calling for an overhaul of America’s immigration laws this year.”

The email concluded by noting that Mr. Paul and Mr. Russo “join an increasingly large group of conservatives who understand that the future of our economy depends on fixing our outdated immigration reform system.”

Many Americans of all political stripes regard the phrase “immigration reform” as code for granting amnesty to foreigners living in the U.S. illegally.

To some “rule of law” conservatives, it is a swear word. To other conservatives, putting millions of illegal immigrants on the road to legal status and eventually to citizenship is realistic politically and fair for people who flee warlords, drug lords and dysfunctional economies abroad to find work in the U.S.

The Partnership for a New American Economy boasts such high-profile members as former New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, a common foe of gun rights advocates and many other conservatives, and the equally wealthy Rupert Murdoch, the conservative owner of major newspapers and the Fox television family of news and entertainment channels.

The organization’s website claims it “brings together more than 500 Republican, Democratic, and independent mayors and business leaders united in making the economic case for streamlining, modernizing, and rationalizing our immigration system.”

Mr. Paul has been calling for a reform of immigration laws that secures the borders first, provides for a robust guest-worker program and can, under certain conditions, lead to the legalization of those who entered the U.S. without authorization or who overstayed their visas.


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Old 06-12-2014, 01:58 PM   #121
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America fought a pretty important war over this issue.

State rights lost the war.
Fair 'nuff. So why do we still have States then??
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:59 PM   #122
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No more blah blah blah.
If "blah, blah" is all you got...then you've shown you've got nothing.

Go rub some coconut oil on your body.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:00 PM   #123
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If "blah, blah" is all you got...then you've shown you've got nothing.

Go rub some coconut oil on your body.
Are you offering?
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:00 PM   #124
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America fought a pretty important war over this issue.

State rights lost the war.
That didn't settle anything since the Constitution still has them in writing.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:00 PM   #125
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They'd have to back home to work. Or save their money before leaving. It's really not all that hard. Millions have done it.



The work permit is simply an idea to allow them to come here legally to work.



Well your entitled to that opinion. I and others don't happen to agree with it. What we already know for a fact, is that your way has NOT worked.
First off, i haven't expressed MY way in this thread at all. Second, we're talking about ILLEGALS, not Legals. IF they were able to save enough to come here and pay, then they'd probably never leave their country ILLEGALY in the first place.

There are millions of Foreign nationals that are content in their countries. Those aren't the ones we're talking about.

You have yet to address any of the issues i've pointed out in your plan.

Your plans relies on hope and assumptions, and if that doesn't come true, well then you've just dramatically worsened the situation.

And i don't care if others on this forum agree with you. There's a lot of really stupid people on this forum.

The fact is, your plan has holes in the size of Texas, non of which you've given a solution to.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:01 PM   #126
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Are you offering?
Nope.

I know an illegal alien that needs the work though.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:01 PM   #127
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That didn't settle anything since the Constitution still has them in writing.
On the hemp draft or the actual Constitution on parchment?
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:02 PM   #128
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Nope.

I know an illegal alien that needs the work though.

Oh we have plenty of those around these parts. They stimulate the economy.
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Destroyed? Texas has seen job and population growth and didn't experience the recession nearly as much as the rest of the country.

You have no clue of what you're talking about.
Maybe destroyed was a strong word, but the southern areas in Texas are being negatively impacted with high crime, drugs and disease because of the left. They need to build a wall and secure the border correctly. I'm curious on how many terrorists have already walked into the country with no resistance from an undermanned and overworked BPA?
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:04 PM   #130
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Oh yeah! Rand doesn't think Cantor's loss was due soley to amnesty, especially since Graham survived a challenge easily. I think the case with Graham is that his constituents are just hawkish. Ever see the kind of parades they have in that state? Military worship is strong there. Graham's a fascist ass.

Anyhow, this new influx of children is shocking to people and it's not going to bode well for the politicians, if it continues.
If I could cobble together a conservative, I'd take a Graham for national security issues, a Cruz for limiting government on domestic economic issues, and a Rand Paul for social issues. In other words, someone like Dick Cheney.
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Maybe destroyed was a strong word, but the southern areas in Texas are being negatively impacted with high crime, drugs and disease because of the left. They need to build a wall and secure the border correctly. I'm curious on how many terrorists have already walked into the country with no resistance from an undermanned and overworked BPA?
You have no idea of how the border actually works.

Also, the crime on the US side is not even close to being comparable to the Mexican side. El Paso, for example, has extremely low crime rates for a city of its size. So, crime is not a problem on the US side of the border.
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First off, i haven't expressed MY way in this thread at all. Second, we're talking about ILLEGALS, not Legals. IF they were able to save enough to come here and pay, then they'd probably never leave their country in the first place.
For the record, I have clearly stated, even to the point of italicizing, that I am talking about illegals. Don't know why you're bringing this up.

Also, I didn't say to save enough to come here, or alone, but to pay for vaccines. Mexican citizens get free vaccines. So it's really not a valid point.

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As if I didn't know.

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You have yet to address any of the issues i've pointed out in your plan.
Yes I have--the ones that matter. You don't agree with them.
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Your plans relies on hope and assumptions, and if that doesn't come true, well then you've just dramatically worsened the situation.
Nope. It relies on deductive reasoning from economics and past history.
You either don't want to see it or just disagree.

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And i don't care if others on this forum agree with you. There's a lot of really stupid people on this forum.
Well, that's not a valid argument. In fact it's a concession that you're argument doesn't hold. I only said it because you acted as if it was just my idea.

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The fact is, your plan has holes in the size of Texas, non of which you've given a solution to.
That's just your opinion. Doing the same thing over and getting the same results it's not intelligent either. Doing that has been called insane.

Time for some change in operating basis.
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Maybe destroyed was a strong word, but the southern areas in Texas are being negatively impacted with high crime, drugs and disease because of the left. They need to build a wall and secure the border correctly. I'm curious on how many terrorists have already walked into the country with no resistance from an undermanned and overworked BPA?
I can agree with you on that. The first thing that has to be done for ANY plan to work is a secured border. Otherwise, we're just chasing our tails.

I think nearly everyone can agree that a secured border is the starting place.

What we do after that is where the divide occurs.

If you want to learn more, i'd suggest paying attention to AustinChief's ideas in regards to reform. IMO, his is the most grounded in reality with humane, realistic and fair solutions, and my solution would essentially mimic his.
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If I could cobble together a conservative, I'd take a Graham for national security issues, a Cruz for limiting government on domestic economic issues, and a Rand Paul for social issues. In other words, someone like Dick Cheney.
Dick Cheney made his money from govt. Not a contender.
In fact, you should see his quotes on invading Iraq before he worked for Halliburton.
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I can agree with you on that. The first thing that has to be done for ANY plan to work is a secured border. mane, realistic and fair solutions, and my solution would essentially mimic his.
Tell me how you would do that?
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