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Old 06-20-2014, 02:23 PM  
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JOE SCARBOROUGH: DRAFT MITT ROMNEY IN 2016!

JOE SCARBOROUGH: DRAFT MITT ROMNEY IN 2016!

Joe Scarborough, the MSNBC host who has transformed into one of his generation's most preeminent Rockefeller Republicans, believes Mitt Romney should run for president again in 2016.

Speaking to about 300 guests at "a luxury resort in the Rocky Mountains" with other potential GOP presidential hopefuls like Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), Scarborough reportedly urged the establishment donors and insiders to being a “Draft Romney” movement.

“This is the only person that can fill the stage,” Scarborough said at a summit hosted by Romney, according to a Washington Post report.

Scarborough and other attendees may not have realized that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) was ousted last week because he was seen as emblematic of an ossifying Republican Party that favored cronyism over free markets. That was why Romney could never appeal to blue-collar American workers and similarly situated minorities in 2012 who dislike the GOP when it is perceived as being in bed with big-business crony capitalists seeking corporate-welfare handouts.

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Old 06-20-2014, 04:31 PM   #16
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Another in a long line of people who would probably make excellent Chief Executives, but are doomed because the American populace abhors competence.

Stroke my hair and tell me pretty things, oh leader!!
I do agree completely that Mitt is very competent and has great leadership traits. He would make for a great president by those standards.
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Old 06-20-2014, 04:44 PM   #17
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Let's just draft a cardboard cutout of Romney and use that.
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Old 06-20-2014, 07:17 PM   #18
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Another in a long line of people who would probably make excellent Chief Executives, but are doomed because the American populace abhors competence.

Stroke my hair and tell me pretty things, oh leader!!
abhors competence?

perhaps some might have just profoundly disagreed with policies romney and the republicans were touting?

or didn't like formerly moderate republicans pretending to be severe conservatives?

seriously, how many would cite an aversion to competence as a primary issue in deciding their vote?

and hair-stroking went out with scarlet o'hara...

i may not keep up (at sarah palin levels of not keeping up), but i can appreciate how telling people pretty things has been effective, but that's hardly news...

oi gawd i'm bored...
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Old 06-20-2014, 07:22 PM   #19
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Mitt is not a hardcore conservative.

There are a lot of people who attempt to bring the base to their side by calling themselves conservatives when they are not. Mitt has some conservative beliefs but, by and large is not a conservative. Same thing with W. And that is ultimately Mitt did lose; there was not enough distinction (at least on certain key issues, such as Obamacare) between him and Obama. The choice was democrat or democrat lite. If those are your options might as well vote for the real deal.
really, how much more of a distinction could mitt have made then vowing to repeal obamacare on day one?

what other issues made him democrat llte?

i can't think of any issue that he agreed with obama on offhand...
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Old 06-20-2014, 07:25 PM   #20
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I do agree completely that Mitt is very competent and has great leadership traits. He would make for a great president by those standards.
and i wholeheartedly agree that mitt is very competent and has great leadership skills...

he would indeed make a great president by those standards...

but it looks like a majority didn't back his policies...

someday there will be other competent people whose policies the majority will support and who will get elected...
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Old 06-20-2014, 07:42 PM   #21
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really, how much more of a distinction could mitt have made then vowing to repeal obamacare on day one?

what other issues made him democrat llte?

i can't think of any issue that he agreed with obama on offhand...
His issues weren't the problem - his credibility was.

This is something that is different between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats are fine with the rhetoric being abandoned once in power. They don't care about broken promises, because the power is the thing. On the other side, the power is the means to the end, not the end in itself. The principle matters more, and Mitt wasn't credible where conservative principles are concerned.
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Old 06-20-2014, 07:51 PM   #22
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Mitt is not a hardcore conservative.

There are a lot of people who attempt to bring the base to their side by calling themselves conservatives when they are not. Mitt has some conservative beliefs but, by and large is not a conservative. Same thing with W. And that is ultimately Mitt did lose; there was not enough distinction (at least on certain key issues, such as Obamacare) between him and Obama. The choice was democrat or democrat lite. If those are your options might as well vote for the real deal.
They cannot win with a "hardcore conservative" either. If they offer up someone from that camp that runs on conventional marriage, anti abortion and pro Christian campaign he or her will get destroyed. They need someone who will offer a plan to cut spending and create jobs and leave the other issues alone. I do not agree with the gay lifestyle or abortion and I also think our elected officials should leave their personal beliefs private. The issues in need of addressing do not revolve around what god you believe in, who you **** or what pregnant women do. It is all for not anyway as all of these pig****ers are owned by lobbying groups. They say they believe whatever their voting base wants to hear. The reality is both parties could give a shit less about us. We are nothing more than revenue to them. So by all means let's all show up to vote for the lobbyist groups we want in power. **** it I will continue to support groups and charities I like. As far as voting I agree with Mark Twain if voting mattered they wouldn't let us do it~
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:09 PM   #23
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His issues weren't the problem - his credibility was.

This is something that is different between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats are fine with the rhetoric being abandoned once in power. They don't care about broken promises, because the power is the thing. On the other side, the power is the means to the end, not the end in itself. The principle matters more, and Mitt wasn't credible where conservative principles are concerned.
Exactly. He vowed to repeal Obamacare but with his own Romneycare on his record there were plenty of people who didn't trust him not to replace it with something else instead of just going back to where we were.

His pro choice and then switch to pro life stance is another example.

Mitt has plenty of moderate issues on his record that disqualify him as a conservative, gobowe.
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:10 PM   #24
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seriously, how many would cite an aversion to competence as a primary issue in deciding their vote?
I don't know the answer to that, but I can tell you that the vast majority of Obama voters must not care about it too much.
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Exactly. He vowed to repeal Obamacare but with his own Romneycare on his record there were plenty of people who didn't trust him not to replace it with something else instead of just going back to where we were.
Most conservatives, or at least thoughtful ones, don't want to go back to where we were. Where we were was a world with rapidly inflating health care costs that were threatening to destroy our federal budget and continue to eat up greater portions of our personal income. Something needed to change, but unfortunately, the democrats got to decide what that change was going to be.
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:19 PM   #26
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Mitt is not a hardcore conservative.

There are a lot of people who attempt to bring the base to their side by calling themselves conservatives when they are not. Mitt has some conservative beliefs but, by and large is not a conservative. Same thing with W. And that is ultimately Mitt did lose; there was not enough distinction (at least on certain key issues, such as Obamacare) between him and Obama. The choice was democrat or democrat lite. If those are your options might as well vote for the real deal.
Total BS. Romney lost because the staunch right didn't back him and because he was hamstrung into unpopular positions (e.g. birth control, abortion, immigration) he never wanted to make.
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:23 PM   #28
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Total BS. Romney lost because the staunch right didn't back him and because he was hamstrung into unpopular positions (e.g. birth control, abortion, immigration) he never wanted to make.
i see that quite often, that the right didn't back him...

have there ever been any polls that show how many on the right don't vote for the republican candidate, be he mitt or john mccain?
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:26 PM   #29
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They cannot win with a "hardcore conservative" either. If they offer up someone from that camp that runs on conventional marriage, anti abortion and pro Christian campaign he or her will get destroyed. They need someone who will offer a plan to cut spending and create jobs and leave the other issues alone. I do not agree with the gay lifestyle or abortion and I also think our elected officials should leave their personal beliefs private. This issues in need of addressing do not revolve around what god you believe in, who you **** or what pregnant women do. It is all for not anyway as all of these pig****ers are owned by lobbying groups. They say they believe whatever their voting base wants to hear. The reality is both parties could give a shit less about us. We are nothing more than revenue to them. So by all means let's all show up to vote for the lobbyist groups we want in power. **** it I will continue to support groups and charities I like. As far as voting I agree with Mark Twain if voting mattered they wouldn't let us do it~

Again, I have to disagree. That tripe is what the opposition keeps selling us. Why in the hell are we listening to those that are trying to beat us? It completely defies logic.

Aaaaaaand, I'll give an example of a true conservative being successful in this day and age..... In the democratic stronghold of Wisconson. Governor Scott Walker is a fiscal and social conservative who won election, and then won in a recall election brought about by the unions he was taking on. An increase in revenue brought about by his budget bill is being at least partially returned to he people in the form of tax cuts. The unions have been pushed back. He has been the target of an illegal probe by leftist DAs in the state and been cleared by both the state court and a federal court. The opposition is in a no holds barred effort to completely destroy him specifically because he is a true hard core conservative who has won AND had success in a very blue state.

If this can be done in Wisconson, it can most certainly be done on the national level where the color of the country as a whole is purple with the right candidate.

Quit listening to the enemy; the need to compromise on our principals is non-existent.
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Most conservatives, or at least thoughtful ones, don't want to go back to where we were. Where we were was a world with rapidly inflating health care costs that were threatening to destroy our federal budget and continue to eat up greater portions of our personal income. Something needed to change, but unfortunately, the democrats got to decide what that change was going to be.
But why were the costs rising rapidly? Government money and over regulation/ bureaucratic red tape. Looking to the government to solve a problem that it is largely responsible for the situation is asinine. This is why the majority of the base did not trust Romney. This is why there is an uprising amongst the populace against the Washington establishment (both parties).

Going back to where we were would still be cheaper than what he have now.
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