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Old 06-20-2014, 02:23 PM  
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JOE SCARBOROUGH: DRAFT MITT ROMNEY IN 2016!

JOE SCARBOROUGH: DRAFT MITT ROMNEY IN 2016!

Joe Scarborough, the MSNBC host who has transformed into one of his generation's most preeminent Rockefeller Republicans, believes Mitt Romney should run for president again in 2016.

Speaking to about 300 guests at "a luxury resort in the Rocky Mountains" with other potential GOP presidential hopefuls like Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), Scarborough reportedly urged the establishment donors and insiders to being a “Draft Romney” movement.

“This is the only person that can fill the stage,” Scarborough said at a summit hosted by Romney, according to a Washington Post report.

Scarborough and other attendees may not have realized that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) was ousted last week because he was seen as emblematic of an ossifying Republican Party that favored cronyism over free markets. That was why Romney could never appeal to blue-collar American workers and similarly situated minorities in 2012 who dislike the GOP when it is perceived as being in bed with big-business crony capitalists seeking corporate-welfare handouts.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...Romney-in-2016
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:34 PM   #31
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Total BS. Romney lost because the staunch right didn't back him and because he was hamstrung into unpopular positions (e.g. birth control, abortion, immigration) he never wanted to make.
Hum, yes. Pretty sure that is what I am saying. The base of the party, the conservatives, viewed him as another north east moderate.
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:34 PM   #32
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Again, I have to disagree. That tripe is what the opposition keeps selling us. Why in the hell are we listening to those that are trying to beat us? It completely defies logic.

Aaaaaaand, I'll give an example of a true conservative being successful in this day and age..... In the democratic stronghold of Wisconson. Governor Scott Walker is a fiscal and social conservative who won election, and then won in a recall election brought about by the unions he was taking on. An increase in revenue brought about by his budget bill is being at least partially returned to he people in the form of tax cuts. The unions have been pushed back. He has been the target of an illegal probe by leftist DAs in the state and been cleared by both the state court and a federal court. The opposition is in a no holds barred effort to completely destroy him specifically because he is a true hard core conservative who has won AND had success in a very blue state.

If this can be done in Wisconson, it can most certainly be done on the national level where the color of the country as a whole is purple with the right candidate.

Quit listening to the enemy; the need to compromise on our principals is non-existent.
why do use the term enemy when referring to well-intentioned thoughtful americans?

because they disagree they must be the enemy?

what a dreadful way to look at things...
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:36 PM   #33
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If a Pub wants to win this next election, they just need to run with this basic phrase:


Fiscal Conservative, Social Progressive.


Easy win.
Social progressive will keep the conservatives home. That equates into another democrat win.

The GOP needs to quit trying to run away from the base. They will not win again if they continue to do so.
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:44 PM   #34
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why do use the term enemy when referring to well-intentioned thoughtful americans?

because they disagree they must be the enemy?

what a dreadful way to look at things...
Obama, Reid, Pelosi et al, are not well intentioned.

And how else would I describe a group that completely castigates me and my beliefs in the most disparaging of manners? We get told we are racists because we disagree with Obama. It couldn't be we might actually have legitimate disagreements with him, oh no. We just hate him because he is (half) black. We are daily treated like the enemy. Why would I not treat them the same? Trying to befriend a rapist and telling everyone that he really has good intentions will not keep a woman from being raped. Pretending that the left has good intentions towards me and my beliefs is not going to keep them from trying to completely destroy what I believe in.

Politics is as much a game of war as chess is. If you do not treat as such, you will lose.
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:45 PM   #35
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Social progressive will keep the conservatives home. That equates into another democrat win.

The GOP needs to quit trying to run away from the base. They will not win again if they continue to do so.
So we are going to keeps seeing AIDS run on the Republican side.


That's a great plan.


What needs to be done for the Libertarians to get a seat at the big table?
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:50 PM   #36
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i see that quite often, that the right didn't back him...

have there ever been any polls that show how many on the right don't vote for the republican candidate, be he mitt or john mccain?
Here's a study about how his handling of Ron Paul supporters cost him the election:

http://mic.com/articles/18815/the-ro...aul-supporters
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:53 PM   #37
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So we are going to keeps seeing AIDS run on the Republican side.


That's a great plan.


What needs to be done for the Libertarians to get a seat at the big table?
Convince enough people they are right.


Morality is the basis for all law. Enough people recognize this that there will always be a strong conservative constituency that is some what of a driving force in this country. The issue is determining where you draw the lines. And while most (that I encounter anyway, and even myself in the past) on the conservative side have a difficult time explaining why issues like gay marriage and abortion are important issues, there are actually thoughtful reasons behind our beliefs on these matters. If one is actually willing to listen and try to understand someone who is capable of articulating these beliefs that is.
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:57 PM   #38
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Convince enough people they are right.


Morality is the basis for all law. Enough people recognize this that there will always be a strong conservative constituency that is some what of a driving force in this country. The issue is determining where you draw the lines. And while most (that I encounter anyway, and even myself in the past) on the conservative side have a difficult time explaining why issues like gay marriage and abortion are important issues, there are actually thoughtful reasons behind our beliefs on these matters. If one is actually willing to listen and try to understand someone who is capable of articulating these beliefs that is.
It's a shifting demographic and an old way of thinking. I am not going to judge if it's wrong or right, but it's not the way America thinks any more.
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Old 06-20-2014, 09:02 PM   #39
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It's a shifting demographic and an old way of thinking. I am not going to judge if it's wrong or right, but it's not the way America thinks any more.
There are reasons for that beyond just "enlightenment". And as I say, there will always be a decent percentage of the population that does think that way. As long the gay community that makes up at most five percent of the population is deserving of their view being advanced, the conservatives which make up more than five percent are equally deserving of having their views advanced.
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That's where things are different, though. Gays may be only 5%, but there is a lot more then 5% pushing for their rights.
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That's where things are different, though. Gays may be only 5%, but there is a lot more then 5% pushing for their rights.
Yes. Ok, I didn't state that very well.

If it is ok to fight for the agenda of a five percent minority, how is it less ok to fight for the agenda of a larger minority?

People's minds are changing, that means they are capable of changing again. Giving up the debate when we are not that small of a minority is assanine. If five percent can make things happen for themselves........
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Here's a study about how his handling of Ron Paul supporters cost him the election:

http://mic.com/articles/18815/the-ro...aul-supporters
Ah yes. Paul followers cost Romney the election...

No, they didn't. Independents cost Romney the election, and they'll cost the next GOP candidate the next election, too.
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Mitt was a great candidate but his Mormonism hurts him and he can't get white working class voters in The rust belt.
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Ah yes. Paul followers cost Romney the election...

No, they didn't. Independents cost Romney the election, and they'll cost the next GOP candidate the election, too.
Mitt won independents but other than that, great point.
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