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Old 06-20-2014, 02:23 PM  
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JOE SCARBOROUGH: DRAFT MITT ROMNEY IN 2016!

JOE SCARBOROUGH: DRAFT MITT ROMNEY IN 2016!

Joe Scarborough, the MSNBC host who has transformed into one of his generation's most preeminent Rockefeller Republicans, believes Mitt Romney should run for president again in 2016.

Speaking to about 300 guests at "a luxury resort in the Rocky Mountains" with other potential GOP presidential hopefuls like Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), Scarborough reportedly urged the establishment donors and insiders to being a “Draft Romney” movement.

“This is the only person that can fill the stage,” Scarborough said at a summit hosted by Romney, according to a Washington Post report.

Scarborough and other attendees may not have realized that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) was ousted last week because he was seen as emblematic of an ossifying Republican Party that favored cronyism over free markets. That was why Romney could never appeal to blue-collar American workers and similarly situated minorities in 2012 who dislike the GOP when it is perceived as being in bed with big-business crony capitalists seeking corporate-welfare handouts.

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Old 06-20-2014, 10:40 PM   #76
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If asked which group should be considered the most self absorbed in our country at this time, the Hollywood elite or the Ron Paul nuts, I'm not sure I could say for certain.
I have no apologies for being self interested. My politics start at home, where I have bills to pay and kids to raise. I want more of my money in my pocket, with more freedom to choose the schools I raise them in, as well as the values that I want to instill them with. I'm not bashful about it: my family comes first.
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Old 06-20-2014, 10:43 PM   #77
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I have no apologies for being self interested. My politics start at home, where I have bills to pay and kids to raise. I want more of my money in my pocket, with more freedom to choose the schools I raise them in, as well as the values that I want to instill them with. I'm not bashful about it: my family comes first.
That is not at all what I'm talking about. Everything you mentioned I not only understand but, agree with.

I'm talking about the Paul fanatics The Group.
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Old 06-20-2014, 10:53 PM   #78
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That is not at all what I'm talking about. Everything you mentioned I not only understand but, agree with.

I'm talking about the Paul fanatics The Group.
It's as diverse as the electorate itself. Probably moreso. But a few things unite them - namely the principles of small government, and the fact that they're willing to vote (or not vote) their principles regardless of consequence.
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Old 06-20-2014, 10:55 PM   #79
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Yeah, if you're looking at it that narrowly, you'd be right. But conservative democrats don't identify as libertarians - they identify as "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" - which is just a way of saying "libertarian."

Ronald Reagan had the right answer - appeal to the religious sect, as well as the libertarians, and you'll draw a huge chunk of blue dog Democrats.

As far as social conservatives go, they've been marginalized by the primary calendar. The establishment really screwed them over by putting so much space in between Iowa and South Carolina. A Huckabee or a Santorum hardly have a fighting chance anymore.
Remember; anyone who calls themselves a " fiscal conservative social liberal" simply means they vote Democrat. Obummer won the election because he drew record number of black voters and milennials turned out in force for a second helping of "hope and change". Romney wouldn't have won picking up some libertarians out there.
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Old 06-20-2014, 10:56 PM   #80
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Remember; anyone who calls themselves a " fiscal conservative social liberal" simply means they vote Democrat.

Wow.

Just wow.
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Old 06-20-2014, 10:58 PM   #81
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Ron Paul voters were never GOP voters. They're contrarians by nature. It's Paul or nothing. That's what happens when you deal with absolutists.
This isnt true at all.
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Old 06-20-2014, 10:59 PM   #82
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Remember; anyone who calls themselves a " fiscal conservative social liberal" simply means they vote Democrat. Obummer won the election because he drew record number of black voters and milennials turned out in force for a second helping of "hope and change". Romney wouldn't have won picking up some libertarians out there.
Voting was down across the board. Obama drew even fewer youth votes than he did in '08. I don't know what you are talking about record numbers for.
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:02 PM   #83
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It's as diverse as the electorate itself. Probably moreso. But a few things unite them - namely the principles of small government, and the fact that they're willing to vote (or not vote) their principles regardless of consequence.
All well and good. There still isn't enough of you to have cost Mitt the election. Mitt lost because he failed to win his base over. The Paul fanatics are not the base. The belief that you all make up this mighty force to be reckoned with is laughable, and what my initial comment was pertaining to.
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:17 PM   #84
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It sure would have been terrible if Romney had beaten Obama.

Just think about the shape we'd be in. Health care would be a mess, Iraq would be in flames, there'd be rampant corruption in Washington, the economy would still be stuck in the ditch...

Oh wait.
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:23 PM   #85
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Remember; anyone who calls themselves a " fiscal conservative social liberal" simply means they vote Democrat.
I don't buy this at all. I call myself a fiscal conservative, social liberal and I don't vote Democrat.

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Obummer won the election because he drew record number of black voters and milennials turned out in force for a second helping of "hope and change". Romney wouldn't have won picking up some libertarians out there.
Statistics show differently. Hard numbers exist to show that this was Romney's election to lose, and he did.
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:25 PM   #86
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All well and good. There still isn't enough of you to have cost Mitt the election. Mitt lost because he failed to win his base over. The Paul fanatics are not the base. The belief that you all make up this mighty force to be reckoned with is laughable, and what my initial comment was pertaining to.
Believe what you want. I believe in numbers:
http://mic.com/articles/18815/the-ro...aul-supporters


Mitt Romney lost Florida by 46,000 votes. Ron Paul tallied 117,461 votes in that state. And that's not counting the ones that stayed home or voted for Gary Johnson.

Reagan's base was full of libertarians and blue dog democrats. When Republicans learn this is when they'll start winning elections again - not before.
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:51 PM   #87
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Obama, Reid, Pelosi et al, are not well intentioned.

And how else would I describe a group that completely castigates me and my beliefs in the most disparaging of manners?
Perceptive?
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Old 06-21-2014, 12:04 AM   #88
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Like I said, absolutists.

Look at it this way: if you are right and the lack of Paul followers alone cost Romney the election, you guys are directly responsible for all the Obama crap we are dealing with now.

How does that make you feel?
Gotta have someone to blame for running lousy candidates and having a lousy president that enabled an Obama to get in?

You guys whine about the left blaming Bush for everything...and then you say this? You're not different than the Democrats.
BTW, I didn't vote for the libertarian last election, I sucked it up and voted Romney just to ditch Obama due to Obamacare. I don't really think he woulda repealed it anyway. I did vote for Paul in the primary though.
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Old 06-21-2014, 07:31 AM   #89
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But why were the costs rising rapidly? Government money and over regulation/ bureaucratic red tape. Looking to the government to solve a problem that it is largely responsible for the situation is asinine. This is why the majority of the base did not trust Romney. This is why there is an uprising amongst the populace against the Washington establishment (both parties).

Going back to where we were would still be cheaper than what he have now.
It doesn't matter why (and I agree with you about the reason), the simple fact is that where we were was broken and it needed to change. Government has to be the one that solves the problem because government is what's causing the problem.

Conservatives need a better answer than let's go back to what we had. It doesn't have to be anything like Obamacare, but it has to address the problem (which Obamacare didn't really do, btw).
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It sure would have been terrible if Romney had beaten Obama.

Just think about the shape we'd be in. Health care would be a mess, Iraq would be in flames, there'd be rampant corruption in Washington, the economy would still be stuck in the ditch...

Oh wait.
Thank goodness there were enough people like TJ and the Obamaphone lady whose families come ahead of the well-being of the country. We dodged a bullet.
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