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Old 06-20-2014, 02:23 PM  
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JOE SCARBOROUGH: DRAFT MITT ROMNEY IN 2016!

JOE SCARBOROUGH: DRAFT MITT ROMNEY IN 2016!

Joe Scarborough, the MSNBC host who has transformed into one of his generation's most preeminent Rockefeller Republicans, believes Mitt Romney should run for president again in 2016.

Speaking to about 300 guests at "a luxury resort in the Rocky Mountains" with other potential GOP presidential hopefuls like Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), Scarborough reportedly urged the establishment donors and insiders to being a “Draft Romney” movement.

“This is the only person that can fill the stage,” Scarborough said at a summit hosted by Romney, according to a Washington Post report.

Scarborough and other attendees may not have realized that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) was ousted last week because he was seen as emblematic of an ossifying Republican Party that favored cronyism over free markets. That was why Romney could never appeal to blue-collar American workers and similarly situated minorities in 2012 who dislike the GOP when it is perceived as being in bed with big-business crony capitalists seeking corporate-welfare handouts.

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Old 06-21-2014, 08:07 AM   #91
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The problem wasn't Romney not winning over the base. It was how much he had to change his identity to appeal to the base. If Romney was allowed to be Romney, he would have dominated the moderate vote. Especially given how lukewarm moderates were on Obama. He never wanted to be vocal about social issues, even if he was conservative mostly. Instead, he was forced to take a strong position on birth control, abortion, gay rights, and immigration. Had he not taken those strong stances, he could have won over moderates or at least curbed the hatred from voting factions like women and mothers, the gay community, and hispanics.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:14 AM   #92
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Romney claimed to be a Progressive who was a hawk. If that's what people consider4 "moderate" then this country has slid too far left.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:42 AM   #93
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Ah yes. Paul followers cost Romney the election...

No, they didn't. Independents cost Romney the election, and they'll cost the next GOP candidate the next election, too.
No, independents went to Romney in a big way. The 4 million conservatives who stayed home cost Romney.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:55 AM   #94
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Believe what you want. I believe in numbers:
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Mitt Romney lost Florida by 46,000 votes. Ron Paul tallied 117,461 votes in that state. And that's not counting the ones that stayed home or voted for Gary Johnson.


Uh, when is the last time Conneticut went red? Reagan? But some how the Paul voters were going to deliver that liberal state up to Romney if he had just tipped his hat to them?

And that is another thing, this gesture BS; at least when conservatives stay home it because that is all they are getting is gestures.

Paul voters = "He didn't acknowledge us so screw him!"

Conservative voters = "He acknowledged us but he didn't reall mean it so screw him!"

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Reagan's base was full of libertarians and blue dog democrats. When Republicans learn this is when they'll start winning elections again - not before.
Huh? How do voters who are very likely to vote for one party one election and the other party the next compromise a base? A base is a group of voters who vote the same way each election. Libertarians and conservative democrats do not fit that bill. Reagan's base was the same base the GOP has today - conservative Republicans.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:56 AM   #95
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Old 06-21-2014, 09:14 AM   #96
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It doesn't matter why (and I agree with you about the reason), the simple fact is that where we were was broken and it needed to change. Government has to be the one that solves the problem because government is what's causing the problem.

Conservatives need a better answer than let's go back to what we had. It doesn't have to be anything like Obamacare, but it has to address the problem (which Obamacare didn't really do, btw).
I am going to disagree on this point. The system was not broken, it was simply too heavily interfered with. The only thing government can do to solve the problem is to remove itself from the equation. The idea that government has to be involved in some way shows just what a bang up job the left has done in moving the country their direction. Even people who agree with me in principal are saying what you are saying to me, "government is ultimately the solution". It is quite sad really.

Now while I am pretty much an ideologue I can also be quite pragmatic. I fully realize that regardless of who is holding the reigns of power the government isn't just going to start phasing itself out of the medical industry. But that does not mean that isn't what we shouldn't be fighting for. Never start the debate from a point of compromise, you've already lost at that point.
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:01 AM   #97
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Voting was down across the board. Obama drew even fewer youth votes than he did in '08. I don't know what you are talking about record numbers for.
You are more than welcome to disprove that black turnout was record high and milennials did in fact come out for him (19% of the electorate which was as high as 2008). Feel free to disprove my assertions.


I'm well aware whites disappeared but I already addresse that by pointing to the Rust Belt where it was most pronounced
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:06 AM   #98
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I don't buy this at all. I call myself a fiscal conservative, social liberal and I don't vote Democrat.



Statistics show differently. Hard numbers exist to show that this was Romney's election to lose, and he did.
Show me the statistics that disprove me. I'd love to see it since i spent many hours poring over the exit data. Blacks showed up in force and milennials as a % did just what they did in 2012. That is why the GOP lean polls showed Romney as a possibility to eke out the popular- but "likely voter models" were busted when blacks and milennials turned out far higher than expected.


It was never Romneys to lose. Ever. History shows that's almost never the case vs an incumbent Prez anyway. Lets stick to facts
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:15 AM   #99
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Show me the statistics that disprove me. I'd love to see it since i spent many hours poring over the exit data. Blacks showed up in force and milennials as a % did just what they did in 2012. That is why the GOP lean polls showed Romney as a possibility to eke out the popular- but "likely voter models" were busted when blacks and milennials turned out far higher than expected.


It was never Romneys to lose. Ever. History shows that's almost never the case vs an incumbent Prez anyway. Lets stick to facts
Wait! You said gays won the election for him
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:18 AM   #100
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Romney claimed to be a Progressive who was a hawk. If that's what people consider4 "moderate" then this country has slid too far left.
No he didn't.
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:22 AM   #101
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Show me the statistics that disprove me. I'd love to see it since i spent many hours poring over the exit data. Blacks showed up in force and milennials as a % did just what they did in 2012. That is why the GOP lean polls showed Romney as a possibility to eke out the popular- but "likely voter models" were busted when blacks and milennials turned out far higher than expected.


It was never Romneys to lose. Ever. History shows that's almost never the case vs an incumbent Prez anyway. Lets stick to facts

From the article I posted last night -

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There also appears to have been some slippage in the youth vote, down 3 percent from 2008 levels — 49 percent participation, down from 52 percent. But even with this dip, the under-30 crowd was a boon for the president. Thanks to the steep drop in overall voter participation, the youth vote actually increased as a percentage of the electorate — 19 percent, up from 18 percent. Indeed, if there is any silver lining for conservatives here, it’s that Obama was hurt more by the decrease in his level of support from this demographic — down six points from the 66 percent he claimed in 2008 — than by the marginal drop in total youth participation. It seems to be dawning on at least some young adults that Obamaville is a bleak place to build a future.
The mellinial vote was actually down 3%.

I'll even be nice and repost the link instead of making you dig for it. The numbers are clear, the election WAS Romney's to lose.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rew-c-mccarthy
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:25 AM   #102
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I am going to disagree on this point. The system was not broken, it was simply too heavily interfered with. The only thing government can do to solve the problem is to remove itself from the equation. The idea that government has to be involved in some way shows just what a bang up job the left has done in moving the country their direction. Even people who agree with me in principal are saying what you are saying to me, "government is ultimately the solution". It is quite sad really.

Now while I am pretty much an ideologue I can also be quite pragmatic. I fully realize that regardless of who is holding the reigns of power the government isn't just going to start phasing itself out of the medical industry. But that does not mean that isn't what we shouldn't be fighting for. Never start the debate from a point of compromise, you've already lost at that point.
You're admitting that government action was necessary to "solve the problem" even if you seem to be disagreeing that the problem was serious enough to consider the system broken.

We do disagree on whether a completely laissez-faire system would solve the problem though. Or, I should say, a completely laissez-faire system would solve the problem of skyrocketing costs, but it would lead to insurmountable practical political problem of people dying in the streets. An alternative that concedes to our national decision that we're going to have a safety net while minimizing government interference and resisting the political pressure to gold-plate the safety net is what conservatives need to support, IMO.
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The problem wasn't Romney not winning over the base. It was how much he had to change his identity to appeal to the base. If Romney was allowed to be Romney, he would have dominated the moderate vote. Especially given how lukewarm moderates were on Obama. He never wanted to be vocal about social issues, even if he was conservative mostly. Instead, he was forced to take a strong position on birth control, abortion, gay rights, and immigration. Had he not taken those strong stances, he could have won over moderates or at least curbed the hatred from voting factions like women and mothers, the gay community, and hispanics.
Who didn't let him?
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Old 06-21-2014, 11:46 AM   #105
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Who didn't let him?
The religious right forced Romney to take a strong stance on social issues whereas it seemed like Romney wanted to avoid them altogether. The base steered him into a few polarizing positions that undoubtedly lost him voters, as well as moved him away from center where he could have picked off even more moderate and independent voters.
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