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Old 06-23-2014, 08:33 AM  
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Atheists called upon to explain their "injury" over WTC cross

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/21/ground-zero-cross/

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A federal appeals court said this week that an atheist group trying to keep the so-called Ground Zero Cross out of the National September 11 Memorial Museum must better explain how displaying the artifact is “offensive” and violates members’ constitutional rights.

The 17-foot-tall, steel beam “cross” was found in the rubble of the World Trade Center twin towers in New York that fell during the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

The cross became a sort of shrine or place of comfort for first responders who often prayed there and left messages or flowers. It was moved away from the debris a few weeks later and became a tourist attraction through several years of reconstruction.

American Atheists filed the suit in 2011, which was thrown out last year by a federal judge in the Southern District of New York.

The appeals court ruling Thursday cites an amicus brief filed by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, a nonprofit law firm that specializes in church-state law and protecting the free expression of all religious traditions.

“We’re thrilled that the court picked up on this issue,” said group lawyer Eric Baxter, whose brief argued that American Atheists had no right to bring a lawsuit in the first place. “Courts should not allow people to sue just because they claim to get ‘dyspepsia’ over a historical artifact displayed in a museum.”

The museum officially opened on May 21.

The judge has now given the plaintiffs until July 14 to file supplemental legal briefs before deciding whether the case will proceed. Among the questions that must be answered in the new filings is how the offensiveness of the cross, which the plaintiffs view as a Christian symbol for all 9-11 victims, becomes a “constitutional injury.”

The other question is -- if the plaintiffs indeed feel displaying the cross “marginalizes them as American citizens” -- then how is that a “particular and concrete injury" compared to just “the abstract stigmatization of atheists generally.”

The judge has also asked the plaintiffs to substantiate their claim the museum and Sept. 11 memorial are getting taxpayer dollars.

“Taking personal offense is not an injury that warrants invoking the power of the courts to shut down everything you disagree with,” Baxter also said. “The Constitution is not a personal tool for censoring everyone’s beliefs but your own.”
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:48 AM   #2
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“Taking personal offense is not an injury that warrants invoking the power of the courts to shut down everything you disagree with,” Baxter also said. “The Constitution is not a personal tool for censoring everyone’s beliefs but your own.”
Well, there you have it. It's enough for me. (Applies to the Redskin name too. ThatGuy is really going to be offended now. I can hear him crying after an nuclear bomb size flame.)
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:57 AM   #3
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I personally think there's a lot of beauty in religious symbols. I don't understand why they can't view it as art. If the twisted and mangled steel had somehow morphed into a giant buddah statue, id want to see it too.

Do I think God did anything on 9/11 besides sadly shake His head? No. But anyone finding peace in that sad chaos is a beautiful thing.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:21 AM   #4
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Taking personal offense is not an injury that warrants invoking the power of the courts to shut down everything you disagree with,” Baxter also said. “The Constitution is not a personal tool for censoring everyone’s beliefs but your own.”

Nice a judge that has some smarts

This one hundred times over
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:24 AM   #5
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It doesn’t bother me at all but I would imagine the a great many of same people who want the cross would be rather miffed if it was a Jewish, Islamic or pagan symbol of some sort.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:24 AM   #6
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If there was a Muslim crescent how would you feel about it?
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:24 AM   #7
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It doesn’t bother me at all but I would imagine the a great many of same people who want the cross would be rather miffed if it was a Jewish, Islamic or pagan symbol of some sort.
Damn it! Stole my thunder.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:29 AM   #8
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If there was a Muslim crescent how would you feel about it?
I'd be a bit annoyed considering the religious alignment of those that committed the acts and I'd wonder about the true message intended by the symbol. However, I'd also welcome the fact that an oft-maligned religious group would be reaching out for peace. What I would REALLY like would be a display of both symbols as a show of unity.
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If there was a Muslim crescent how would you feel about it?
Well I guess if God would have made a Muslim crescent out of two iron beams shouldn't be a problem.
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Well I guess if God would have made a Muslim crescent out of two iron beams shouldn't be a problem.
It's such a shame that Christianity picked the easiest symbol to form
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It doesn’t bother me at all but I would imagine the a great many of same people who want the cross would be rather miffed if it was a Jewish, Islamic or pagan symbol of some sort.
Being miffed is one thing, filing a law suit is something else...
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I'd be a bit annoyed considering the religious alignment of those that committed the acts and I'd wonder about the true message intended by the symbol. However, I'd also welcome the fact that an oft-maligned religious group would be reaching out for peace. What I would REALLY like would be a display of both symbols as a show of unity.
A bit annoyed?

If someone was placing a swastika at a Holocaust memorial would you think the Nazis were "reaching out for peace"?

And no, before the shit-tardation storm begins, I am not saying Muslims are the same as Nazis...
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I think it's just kinda funny and cool that the judge basically told them to get real.

I get the "separation of Church and State" thing, but I believe atheists (in general) don't care as much about this kind of thing as their vocal representatives do. Makes them all look rather petty. I mean...a LAWSUIT? Glad the judge is sensible.
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A bit annoyed?

If someone was placing a swastika at a Holocaust memorial would you think the Nazis were "reaching out for peace"?

And no, before the shit-tardation storm begins, I am not saying Muslims are the same as Nazis...
I don't equate these to be the same situation at all.

The mission of the Nazis was uniform throughout.

I know for a fact that all Muslims don't want to kill random Americans.
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