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Old 06-23-2014, 07:33 AM  
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Atheists called upon to explain their "injury" over WTC cross

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/21/ground-zero-cross/

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A federal appeals court said this week that an atheist group trying to keep the so-called Ground Zero Cross out of the National September 11 Memorial Museum must better explain how displaying the artifact is “offensive” and violates members’ constitutional rights.

The 17-foot-tall, steel beam “cross” was found in the rubble of the World Trade Center twin towers in New York that fell during the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

The cross became a sort of shrine or place of comfort for first responders who often prayed there and left messages or flowers. It was moved away from the debris a few weeks later and became a tourist attraction through several years of reconstruction.

American Atheists filed the suit in 2011, which was thrown out last year by a federal judge in the Southern District of New York.

The appeals court ruling Thursday cites an amicus brief filed by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, a nonprofit law firm that specializes in church-state law and protecting the free expression of all religious traditions.

“We’re thrilled that the court picked up on this issue,” said group lawyer Eric Baxter, whose brief argued that American Atheists had no right to bring a lawsuit in the first place. “Courts should not allow people to sue just because they claim to get ‘dyspepsia’ over a historical artifact displayed in a museum.”

The museum officially opened on May 21.

The judge has now given the plaintiffs until July 14 to file supplemental legal briefs before deciding whether the case will proceed. Among the questions that must be answered in the new filings is how the offensiveness of the cross, which the plaintiffs view as a Christian symbol for all 9-11 victims, becomes a “constitutional injury.”

The other question is -- if the plaintiffs indeed feel displaying the cross “marginalizes them as American citizens” -- then how is that a “particular and concrete injury" compared to just “the abstract stigmatization of atheists generally.”

The judge has also asked the plaintiffs to substantiate their claim the museum and Sept. 11 memorial are getting taxpayer dollars.

“Taking personal offense is not an injury that warrants invoking the power of the courts to shut down everything you disagree with,” Baxter also said. “The Constitution is not a personal tool for censoring everyone’s beliefs but your own.”
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:11 AM   #16
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I'd be a bit annoyed considering the religious alignment of those that committed the acts and I'd wonder about the true message intended by the symbol. However, I'd also welcome the fact that an oft-maligned religious group would be reaching out for peace. What I would REALLY like would be a display of both symbols as a show of unity.
Nice. I actually like that.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:11 AM   #17
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Damn it! Stole my thunder.
You had no thunder to steal, because your point is idiotic beyond belief. Islam isn't equal to Christianity in the West, esp in America and any attempt to equate them or their "rights" is dumb. It'd be akin to demanding Broncos signage/press coverage be given equal time in KC "just because".


Life isn't fair Dave (you being you should've already taught you that harsh lesson). Christianity won, it'll always be the dominant belief in America, and demanding others agree that Islam should be treated as a peer - esp after 9/11 - is absurd.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:12 AM   #18
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I think it's just kinda funny and cool that the judge basically told them to get real.

I get the "separation of Church and State" thing, but I believe atheists (in general) don't care as much about this kind of thing as their vocal representatives do. Makes them all look rather petty. I mean...a LAWSUIT? Glad the judge is sensible.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:13 AM   #19
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You had no thunder to steal, because your point is idiotic beyond belief. Islam isn't equal to Christianity in the West, esp in America and any attempt to equate them or their "rights" is dumb. It'd be akin to demanding Broncos signage/press coverage be given equal time in KC "just because".


Life isn't fair Dave (you being you should've already taught you that harsh lesson). Christianity won, it'll always be the dominant belief in America, and demanding others agree that Islam should be treated as a peer - esp after 9/11 - is absurd.
Chistianity has lost. Its over its now just the countdown to obscurity.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:16 AM   #20
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"It makes me feel better knowing god was here"

[looks at the earth and the amazing complexities invluved]

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If there was a Muslim crescent how would you feel about it?
The atheist group probably wouldn't have sued because they would be afraid for their safety.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:26 AM   #25
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The atheist group probably wouldn't have sued because they would be afraid for their safety.
Well, there's that...
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:29 AM   #26
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If its not government funded / endorsed I really don't care.
I dunno, it IS the 911 Museum...it might be funded by the Feds or something. Does that change it for you?

Also, I suspect that if it were a piece of metal twisted into a crescent, or a star of David, you would probably not give a shit at all. That's just my sense of it, I could be wrong.
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