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Old 06-23-2014, 07:33 AM  
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Atheists called upon to explain their "injury" over WTC cross

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/21/ground-zero-cross/

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A federal appeals court said this week that an atheist group trying to keep the so-called Ground Zero Cross out of the National September 11 Memorial Museum must better explain how displaying the artifact is “offensive” and violates members’ constitutional rights.

The 17-foot-tall, steel beam “cross” was found in the rubble of the World Trade Center twin towers in New York that fell during the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

The cross became a sort of shrine or place of comfort for first responders who often prayed there and left messages or flowers. It was moved away from the debris a few weeks later and became a tourist attraction through several years of reconstruction.

American Atheists filed the suit in 2011, which was thrown out last year by a federal judge in the Southern District of New York.

The appeals court ruling Thursday cites an amicus brief filed by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, a nonprofit law firm that specializes in church-state law and protecting the free expression of all religious traditions.

“We’re thrilled that the court picked up on this issue,” said group lawyer Eric Baxter, whose brief argued that American Atheists had no right to bring a lawsuit in the first place. “Courts should not allow people to sue just because they claim to get ‘dyspepsia’ over a historical artifact displayed in a museum.”

The museum officially opened on May 21.

The judge has now given the plaintiffs until July 14 to file supplemental legal briefs before deciding whether the case will proceed. Among the questions that must be answered in the new filings is how the offensiveness of the cross, which the plaintiffs view as a Christian symbol for all 9-11 victims, becomes a “constitutional injury.”

The other question is -- if the plaintiffs indeed feel displaying the cross “marginalizes them as American citizens” -- then how is that a “particular and concrete injury" compared to just “the abstract stigmatization of atheists generally.”

The judge has also asked the plaintiffs to substantiate their claim the museum and Sept. 11 memorial are getting taxpayer dollars.

“Taking personal offense is not an injury that warrants invoking the power of the courts to shut down everything you disagree with,” Baxter also said. “The Constitution is not a personal tool for censoring everyone’s beliefs but your own.”
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:06 PM   #61
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I may not have all of the facts straight (and I welcome any correction) but I disagree with the atheist group on this one. As I see it: That horrible attack happened and, in the rubble, a group of people found something that gave them hope. It gave them peace and comfort. And then that group of people grew. More and more people were drawn to this symbol and were comforted by it. A lot of people. It became part of the story. So, it is appropriate to make it part of the memorial. It doesn't matter to me in this case whether that symbol was a religious one or not. Displaying that hunk of metal in the museum does not advocate or promote Christianity. It symbolizes our ability to find peace and comfort under horrible circumstances. That's a New York thing, that's an American thing, that's a human thing. It should be honored.
Well said, Listo.
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:17 PM   #62
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I may not have all of the facts straight (and I welcome any correction) but I disagree with the atheist group on this one. As I see it: That horrible attack happened and, in the rubble, a group of people found something that gave them hope. It gave them peace and comfort. And then that group of people grew. More and more people were drawn to this symbol and were comforted by it. A lot of people. It became part of the story. So, it is appropriate to make it part of the memorial. It doesn't matter to me in this case whether that symbol was a religious one or not. Displaying that hunk of metal in the museum does not advocate or promote Christianity. It symbolizes our ability to find peace and comfort under horrible circumstances. That's a New York thing, that's an American thing, that's a human thing. It should be honored.
I don't understand the gripe and have no issue with it. I also have no idea how finding some structure in that configuration is remarkable to anyone. I find those complaining and those impressed with this equally silly~
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Old 06-30-2014, 06:37 PM   #63
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Taking personal offense is not an injury that warrants invoking the power of the courts to shut down everything you disagree with,” Baxter also said. “The Constitution is not a personal tool for censoring everyone’s beliefs but your own.”

Nice a judge that has some smarts

This one hundred times over
I agree. But that kind of shoots the right's argument against gay marriage out of the water as well
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