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Old 06-27-2014, 01:04 PM  
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Obama request to Congress: help me train 'moderate' rebels.



There is no hope for a positive outcome for the USA in Syria. People we hate (Assad and ISIS) are extremely well-funded and very organized. Even the $500 billion the United States is looking to spend in Syria will not keep pace with the crazy amounts of money both of these organizations are in possession of -- well, maybe ISIS, but Assad is bankrolled by Russia.

If there is a significantly-sized "moderate" rebellion force in Syria, I am honestly shocked it exists.

What do we think we can accomplish? Do we really think there is a big enough army of moderates to take on Assad and ISIS at the same time?

Congress, particularly the Republicans, have been chirping for this exact kind of action for a couple years now. It seems that the Obama administration is giving them what they want. I've got nothing but negative feelings about the whole endeavor.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-syrian-rebels

Obama administration seeking $500m to train 'moderate' Syrian rebels
Request to Congress comes as US searches for effective alternatives to Isis, which has overrun parts of northern Iraq
Spencer Ackerman in New York
Thursday 26 June 2014 16.21 EDT

The Obama administration has proposed escalating US involvement in the Syrian civil war, asking Congress for $500m for the US military to train and equip "moderate" Syrian rebels.

The request to Congress on Thursday, heralded by Barack Obama's vow, made during a speech at West Point military academy, to step up assistance to a beleaguered Syrian force, comes as the administration searches for effective alternatives to the jihadist army that has carved out massive swaths of Syria and Iraq for an Islamic state.

Previously, US aid to the Syrian opposition that is fighting dictator Bashar al-Assad focused on non-lethal provisioning, while the Central Intelligence Agency focused on sending small arms and missiles to what the US calls the "vetted" Syrian moderates. Yet the Gulf Arab states have established an arms pipeline giving a substantive military edge to jihadist groups fighting Assad and one another.

Caitlin Hayden, the National Security Council spokeswoman, said in a statement that the requested aid would "help defend the Syrian people, stabilize areas under opposition control, facilitate the provision of essential services, counter terrorist threats, and promote conditions for a negotiated settlement."

US military training for the Syrians, three-and-a-half years into a conflict that has killed more than 150,000 people and recast the boundaries of the Middle East, is likely to take place in Jordan, where the US military already trains its Iraqi counterparts. It is also in line with Obama's desired template for counterterrorism, as unveiled at West Point, in which the US trains foreign security forces to assault terrorists themselves.

ccordingly, a long-delayed war funding package, known for years as the Overseas Contingency Fund and before that a "supplemental", includes $5bn for the administration's heavily promoted Counterterrorism Partnerships Fund.

Some $1.5bn of that would go into a "regional stabilization initiative" for Syrian neighbors Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey and Iraq.

The overall size of the wartime funding package, distinct from the half-trillion annual defense budget, is $65.8bn, down from $79.4bn. Much of that money will go to funding the Afghanistan war now that Obama announced that 2014 will not mark its end but rather the end of most US combat.

Yet the White House cautioned that despite a reduction in US troops, funding for the Afghanistan war will not "decline precipitously." Instead, according to a White House statement, "significant costs" will remain, both for the logistically complex and expensive process of removing personnel and equipment from Afghanistan and bolstering the Afghan security forces – a project with new salience after the US-trained Iraqi military was routed in Nineveh Province by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis).
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:17 PM   #2
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On the surface I agree with this tactic. I can't believe I agree with a proposal from this President there has to be a twist we are not being told.
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:39 PM   #3
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He's trying to backtrack on all his wrongheaded policies in Iraq and Syria, now that he sees looming what everyone else was predicting at the time.

It's like a fat chick finally deciding to work out the day before the prom.
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:01 PM   #4
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He's trying to backtrack on all his wrongheaded policies in Iraq and Syria, now that he sees looming what everyone else was predicting at the time.

It's like a fat chick finally deciding to work out the day before the prom.
Thanks, Dr. Keith Ablow.
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Old 06-27-2014, 04:46 PM   #5
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Thanks, Dr. Keith Ablow.
More like, everyone outside his groupthink circle.
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Old 06-27-2014, 05:04 PM   #6
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Moderate=after they cut your head off, they probably won't use it as a ball to play in a pick up soccer game.

So moderate.
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Old 06-28-2014, 10:32 PM   #7
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Moderate=after they cut your head off, they probably won't use it as a ball to play in a pick up soccer game.

So moderate.
can you imagine doing that with bare feet?

man, you'd crush all your toes kicking that skull around...
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Old 06-29-2014, 10:26 PM   #8
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Syria is a place that I wouldn't help either side because I don't know if there is a lesser evil between the regime and the "rebels". Training and arming al qaeda (rebels) or assisting a tyrant, who is as bad as Sadam. To help terrorists, and that's what the rebels consist of, would be another black eye for the current regime.

Just let them fight it out. We should have never stepped foot in that area of the world as there will be violence until the end of time no matter who "tries to help".
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Old 06-29-2014, 11:25 PM   #9
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moderate rebels is an oxymoron--especially in that conflict.
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Old 06-30-2014, 06:21 AM   #10
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Lets definitely get them trained up, it sure worked for the Iraqi army...
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Old 06-30-2014, 06:48 AM   #11
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If 500M is good and helpful why not go for the gold and drop a nice round billion or so in that sandpit.

How do they come up with this shit? Congress should ignore the request.
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Old 06-30-2014, 07:34 AM   #12
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"Moderate' Syrian rebels" Barry Barry Barry.
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Old 06-30-2014, 08:32 AM   #13
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Old 06-30-2014, 08:49 AM   #15
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"It's negative but Obama only wants to do it to give Republicans what they want."
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There's an emerging standard tactic among liberals when they do something bad, and the tactic is to say that they only did this to prevent something worse from happening.

You can retcon anything using this. Bill and Hill have been using it lately on gay marriage.
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