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Woman behind the Redskins name change says the Chiefs should be on guard

The fight took a monumental shift at a protest nine years at Arrowhead Stadium and it’s about to come full circle. No matter what you think of the issue, it will soon be ubiquitous in and around Kansas City’s greatest obsession other than barbecue.

The Chiefs are aware of it, and are preparing accordingly.


Back in 2005, a group calling itself Not In Our Honor protested before the Chiefs played Washington. The protesters were predominately American Indians, united in their anger over what they perceived as offensive stereotypes passed off as nicknames for sports teams. An older woman, Suzan Harjo, one of the leaders of the protest, met a younger woman named Amanda Blackhorse, then a student at Kansas.
They bonded over their passion for the issue, and that’s how the case known as Blackhorse et al v. Pro-Football Inc. came to be. Last week the plaintiffs prevailed when the United States Patent and Trademark Office canceled the trademarks of the Washington Redskins.


The case is under appeal, but you should know that the woman who took on and (at least for the moment) defeated the corporate entity that owns Washington’s NFL team would like to see the same type of case brought against the Chiefs.
As she says, the spark that started back in 2005 at Arrowhead has created a fire that will probably soon return.


“What happens there, it’s just insane the things they allow to go on,” Blackhorse says of the Chiefs and Arrowhead. “They are definitely in the group (of offensive teams), for sure.”


For now, the Chiefs are publicly silent on this. But they know the fight is likely coming, and they hope a few things work in their favor — most notably that it’s tough to compare their nickname with the one in Washington that is a dictionary-defined racial slur. Blackhorse’s group has also protested baseball’s Cleveland Indians, and that team has greatly scaled back its use of the cartoonish Chief Wahoo logo.


The Chiefs have similarly scaled back some of their more obvious plays on Indian stereotypes, and they hope they have some other advantages when the fight comes. The team is named after H. Roe Bartle, the mayor who was key in Kansas City landing the team from Dallas in 1962. Bartle’s nickname was “The Chief.”


The team stopped using a man dressed in traditional headgear as a mascot during pregame festivities many years ago. In the early 1990s, many of the Chiefs’ defensive players posed for a poster that today both looks absolutely ridiculous and would never be recreated.
The team does, however, play the tomahawk chop during games and welcomes fans in headgear and other stereotypes of Native American dress.


Those are some of the parts of the game day experience that Blackhorse calls “insane,” and why she expects a fight that’s gaining momentum and support nationally to come to Kansas City.


She knows that the vast majority of Chiefs fans will oppose her, but she also knows that the vast majority of fans in Washington opposed her, as well.


She says there is “no middle ground with this issue,” that once an ethnic group is used as a nickname for a sports team, the people in that ethic group lose control of their identity and humanity.


“I don’t want people to think I’m going around pointing fingers, like, ‘You’re a racist, you’re a racist, you’re a racist,’ ” she says. “That’s not the point. The point is we’re offended. You can love Native Americans to death. You can have admiration, love what we do, how we are, whatever, and still (hijack) our culture without understanding it that way.”


Wherever you stand on this issue, there is no denying that Blackhorse’s side is making progress. Teams are sensitive to and aware of perpetuating stereotypes so much more than in the past, in response to public sentiment.


The issue is further complicated by context, that this is a fight centered around Indians, who make up about 1 percent of the nation’s population and who, in Blackhorse’s words, “are invisible sometimes to people.”
That makes getting the message out a bit more difficult. A group of people that feels offended by widespread stereotyping isn’t big enough to get critical mass on its own.


That’s why Blackhorse says the movement needs the help of non-Indians, and part of why she’s so encouraged by developments in Congress and with the trademark case.


There is a lot of momentum here, which can be dangerous for teams like the Chiefs that will likely soon find themselves directly in the fight.
“I’m not sure there’s anything the (Chiefs) can do at this point other than look for another name,” Blackhorse says. “They could be the team that says, ‘You know what? We understand the issue and we don’t want to be Dan Snyder and fight this in court forever. We want to do the right thing and move forward and avoid this entire battle.’ I’m sure fans will be upset, but still, that’s doing the right thing.


“If they want to be sensitive to Native American people, that’s the thing to do.”

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Old 06-28-2014, 11:13 PM   #646
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Old 06-29-2014, 02:26 AM   #647
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Old 06-29-2014, 02:09 PM   #648
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If the pc whiners are able to take down the Redskins name there will be a domino effect.

I cant see them all of the sudden acting like rational human beings and getting a life outside of being offended by anything and everything. They will move on to the next sports team and so on. The Chiefs would probably be on their list.

Luckily Dan Snyder will never agree to change the name so the Redskins fight will last a long time until they either give up or are able to get invasive, intrusive government action to force a name change.
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Old 06-29-2014, 02:35 PM   #649
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Old 06-29-2014, 03:36 PM   #650
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I would like to believe the longer this goes on the more foolish Blackhorse and the rest are looking. They keep bugging the Redskins to change the name but never straight up sue. Makes all the colleges who gave in look pretty stupid.

the Chiefs,Indians, Redskins legal teams must all be talking to each other I assume
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Old 06-30-2014, 01:07 PM   #652
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Between 2007 and 2009, the University of Illinois, largely as a result of ardent protests by tribal members including some from the Oglala Sioux Tribe, retired its Chief Illiniwek mascot.

It gave the mascot regalia purchased from an Oglala Sioux member in 1982 to Oglala Lakota College.

In a 2007 resolution, the Oglala Sioux council had called Chief Illiniwek and the mascot's use of Lakota regalia "a degrading racial stereotype."

Now, half the U.S. Senate, including Sen. Tim Johnson, has signed a letter to National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell calling for him to "send a clear message" about ending racism and bigotry in professional sports by changing the name of the NFL's Washington, D.C., team.

The Trademark Trial and Appeal Board of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has cancelled the trademark registration of the Washington Redskins, calling the team's name offensive, and President Obama said if he owned the team "I'd think about changing" the name.

American Indian Movement co-founder Clyde Bellecourt says AIM plans to force the controversy toward resolution when Washington plays the Minnesota Vikings in the publicly owned University of Minnesota stadium Nov. 2.

But on the Pine Ridge Reservation, the growing furor over the Washington NFL team's continued use of its Redskins nickname has sparked little of the clamor for change the Illini mascot did only a few years ago.

"I don't know that it's that big of an issue," says Ivan Sorbel, director of the Pine Ridge Chamber of Commerce. "We're dealing with some serious issues out here, bigger than NFL team names." The Chamber has taken no position on the matter, he adds.

KILI Radio could be considered the crossroads of Pine Ridge, and when it broadcast a call-in show from Albuquerque on the Redskins nickname controversy this past week, "we had some people from here call in," says KILI General Manager Tom Casey. "Yeah, there's definitely interest here. People are talking about it. But there are more nuts-and-bolts issues to deal with, 80 percent unemployment, a 70 percent dropout rate, a high youth suicide rate. These things are much closer to survival issues."

Would it make a difference if, instead of being the home team of a city on the East Coast the NFL's Redskins were from Rapid City?

"I don't know. That's a good question," Sorbel acknowledged.

Proximity might play a part in how personally a nickname is perceived as an insult. A football team in Rapid City "would never be called the Redskins from the start. It would never have happened," insists Michael Her Many Horses. He is a tribal historian from Wounded Knee, a former tribal council member and a consultant to the Oglala Sioux government.

"It's a distraction," he says of the current nickname controversy. "There are so many other things going on in South Dakota that need our attention. We need to address unemployment and these hard-to-solve issues."

Melanie Janis is the coordinator of the dozens of volunteers who help make KILI a relevant voice of the Oglalas. She hasn't heard much discussion about the Washington team's nickname on Pine Ridge, she says, and any attention given the controversy is wasted, she insists.

"They've had that name a long time. We have other issues to deal with," Janis says. "Unemployment, education, corruption on reservations nationwide. Why are we worried about a name? We're worried unnecessarily. It's a whole lot of drama. It's a name."
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You know, I was thinking about this. It's not like having a Native theme has really helped us over the course of the years. Yeah, it's a tradition but maybe it's time to start "themeing" a winner instead of picking a side that got it's ass kicked?
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