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Old 06-26-2014, 12:01 AM  
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Woman behind the Redskins name change says the Chiefs should be on guard

The fight took a monumental shift at a protest nine years at Arrowhead Stadium and it’s about to come full circle. No matter what you think of the issue, it will soon be ubiquitous in and around Kansas City’s greatest obsession other than barbecue.

The Chiefs are aware of it, and are preparing accordingly.


Back in 2005, a group calling itself Not In Our Honor protested before the Chiefs played Washington. The protesters were predominately American Indians, united in their anger over what they perceived as offensive stereotypes passed off as nicknames for sports teams. An older woman, Suzan Harjo, one of the leaders of the protest, met a younger woman named Amanda Blackhorse, then a student at Kansas.
They bonded over their passion for the issue, and that’s how the case known as Blackhorse et al v. Pro-Football Inc. came to be. Last week the plaintiffs prevailed when the United States Patent and Trademark Office canceled the trademarks of the Washington Redskins.


The case is under appeal, but you should know that the woman who took on and (at least for the moment) defeated the corporate entity that owns Washington’s NFL team would like to see the same type of case brought against the Chiefs.
As she says, the spark that started back in 2005 at Arrowhead has created a fire that will probably soon return.


“What happens there, it’s just insane the things they allow to go on,” Blackhorse says of the Chiefs and Arrowhead. “They are definitely in the group (of offensive teams), for sure.”


For now, the Chiefs are publicly silent on this. But they know the fight is likely coming, and they hope a few things work in their favor — most notably that it’s tough to compare their nickname with the one in Washington that is a dictionary-defined racial slur. Blackhorse’s group has also protested baseball’s Cleveland Indians, and that team has greatly scaled back its use of the cartoonish Chief Wahoo logo.


The Chiefs have similarly scaled back some of their more obvious plays on Indian stereotypes, and they hope they have some other advantages when the fight comes. The team is named after H. Roe Bartle, the mayor who was key in Kansas City landing the team from Dallas in 1962. Bartle’s nickname was “The Chief.”


The team stopped using a man dressed in traditional headgear as a mascot during pregame festivities many years ago. In the early 1990s, many of the Chiefs’ defensive players posed for a poster that today both looks absolutely ridiculous and would never be recreated.
The team does, however, play the tomahawk chop during games and welcomes fans in headgear and other stereotypes of Native American dress.


Those are some of the parts of the game day experience that Blackhorse calls “insane,” and why she expects a fight that’s gaining momentum and support nationally to come to Kansas City.


She knows that the vast majority of Chiefs fans will oppose her, but she also knows that the vast majority of fans in Washington opposed her, as well.


She says there is “no middle ground with this issue,” that once an ethnic group is used as a nickname for a sports team, the people in that ethic group lose control of their identity and humanity.


“I don’t want people to think I’m going around pointing fingers, like, ‘You’re a racist, you’re a racist, you’re a racist,’ ” she says. “That’s not the point. The point is we’re offended. You can love Native Americans to death. You can have admiration, love what we do, how we are, whatever, and still (hijack) our culture without understanding it that way.”


Wherever you stand on this issue, there is no denying that Blackhorse’s side is making progress. Teams are sensitive to and aware of perpetuating stereotypes so much more than in the past, in response to public sentiment.


The issue is further complicated by context, that this is a fight centered around Indians, who make up about 1 percent of the nation’s population and who, in Blackhorse’s words, “are invisible sometimes to people.”
That makes getting the message out a bit more difficult. A group of people that feels offended by widespread stereotyping isn’t big enough to get critical mass on its own.


That’s why Blackhorse says the movement needs the help of non-Indians, and part of why she’s so encouraged by developments in Congress and with the trademark case.


There is a lot of momentum here, which can be dangerous for teams like the Chiefs that will likely soon find themselves directly in the fight.
“I’m not sure there’s anything the (Chiefs) can do at this point other than look for another name,” Blackhorse says. “They could be the team that says, ‘You know what? We understand the issue and we don’t want to be Dan Snyder and fight this in court forever. We want to do the right thing and move forward and avoid this entire battle.’ I’m sure fans will be upset, but still, that’s doing the right thing.


“If they want to be sensitive to Native American people, that’s the thing to do.”

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Old 07-07-2014, 11:31 AM   #691
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Old 07-07-2014, 01:32 PM   #692
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Old 07-07-2014, 01:36 PM   #693
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Old 07-07-2014, 01:40 PM   #694
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Right, but it's not really in Maryland any more than Alaska is in Canada.
Or West Virginia is in Virginia. Or Pennsylvania is in Connecticut. Or Kansas is in Louisiana.

Maryland also wouldn't be dumb enough to re-elect Marion Barry.
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Old 07-08-2014, 01:32 AM   #695
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I just discovered this thread. I was out of town. The Chiefs don't have anything to worry about.

Blackhorse and Sharjo and their team was successful with the Patent Board because they lined up evidence that 'Redskins' is a slur. They can't do that with Chief - in fact, in the 'Proud to Be' ad, they list 'Chief' as one of the things they call themselves. Their stance would have to be that Native Americans should be erased from professional sports altogether, which will have an amazingly small number of supporters - as well it should. Pretending they don't exists won't be doing anyone any favors.

That's not to say they won't have any more affect. The article mentions that the Indians have scaled back the use of Chief Wahoo, as racist a caricature of an ethnic groups as I think there's ever been, and I wouldn't be surprised if you see it (him) replaced altogether within a few years. In danger are the habits of wearing headdresses, costumes, face paint, and doing the tomahawk chop - imagine if that was a spear-chucking chant or a pantomime of picking fruit or rice, and you'll get an idea of the zeal with which activists will go after its existence.

From the Chiefs perspective, they will handle this with PR rather than with lawyers. Beyond the Redskins name, other changes will come about as the result of social pressure, not legal action. The tomahawk chop is a good example; the Chiefs can stop leading it at the games, discourage its use, and then approach the activists from the perspective of having made real changes. If the activists then push for more, they'll come across as bullies and won't have public sympathy on their side.

So, in short: Chief Wahoo's days are numbered, and I wouldn't get too attached to the tomahawk chop at games. Otherwise, Chiefs is safe.
good thing you aren't in the front office. These teams don't need people who give in to idiots making false claims. None of what you say will happen and your fruit picking example is very silly and doesn't apply
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Or West Virginia is in Virginia. Or Pennsylvania is in Connecticut. Or Kansas is in Louisiana.
WTF?

Did you know Maryland actually donated land to form DC?

I do know that DC is not part of any State.

If you were going to describe where DC is located on a map, you'd say it's between Maryland and Virginia.

If you look at DC on a map, it's boundaries are contained within Maryland.
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Old 07-11-2014, 05:41 PM   #697
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SAN FRANCISCO (KCBS)— The San Francisco Giants organization is in the final steps of adopting a policy to ban fans from wearing “culturally-insensitive” attire at AT&T Park.

Giants’ Sr. Vice President Staci Slaughter said the Giants are very proud of their diverse fan base, but want fans to respect one another.

“We want to make sure that our fans are respectful of each other and the different backgrounds that everyone comes from,” Slaughter told KCBS on Wednesday.

The Giants could be the first team in Major League Baseball to adopt such a policy.

A couple of weeks ago, at AT&T Park’s Native American Heritage Night, two groups of fans had a disagreement over the issue of what should and shouldn’t be worn.

SF Examiner reported two Native American fans asked a third fan, who appeared to be Caucasian, to remove a headdress he was wearing.

Slaughter said the consideration to revise their dress-code policy partly stems from that incident.


The next steps towards implementation would be to communicate new rules with fans and event staff in order to ensure they are properly trained on the issue, Slaughter said.
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If Native Americans are trying to make themselves look like such huge pussys so that no one will want to name their team after them, then they are succeeding spectacularly.
I don't think the vast majority care about the Chiefs/Indians name, its not even on their radar.

The only thing Chiefs need to change, they have already changed. A white guy painted red dressed in a indian costume riding on horseback is not a good image. No one wants to see an almost naked man riding around on a horse anyway.

Now put a nice looking blonde on the horse and its a win-win.
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I don't think the vast majority care about any team's name, its not even on their radar. No team needs to change shit.
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I met a girl last week who told me she was part Indian. So ask her how she felt about the name Redskins. She said it didn't bother her and that she was a Chiefs fan.
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I met a girl last week who told me she was part Indian. So ask her how she felt about the name Redskins. She said it didn't bother her and that she was a Chiefs fan.
Let me guess, she was 1/1,346ths Native American.
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