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Old 06-26-2014, 08:16 PM  
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The real reason Democrats push global warming. Campaign money

Environmentalist and Democrat mega-donor accused of hypocrisy

With his increasing visibility and political involvement, San Francisco environmentalist and mega-Democratic campaign donor Tom Steyer is making Democrats a rich target for hypocrisy, critics say.

Steyer has pledged $100 million this year to elect Democrats who are committed to fighting global warming and the Keystone XL pipeline.

He was in Washington Wednesday for private meetings at the White House and to promote his "Risky Business" project, which attempts to get American business to adapt to climate change.

In a previous meeting Tuesday in New York, Steyer told reporters, "We need to reward people whose behavior reduces climate risk and penalize people who add to it."

By that measure, Steyer himself might well be due for punishment. Critics say Steyer made his fortune, in part, from fossil fuels - the very energy source he now condemns - while he was a hedge fund manager at Farallon Capital Management, a firm he founded.

"This is somebody who really made his fortune largely investing in fossil fuels who now wants to close off the ability to use fossil fuels to a lot of other people who aren't as wealthy," said Phil Kerpen, president of the conservative political action committee American Commitment.

Earlier this month, The Washington Post reported, "Steyer said in 2012 that he was halting his 'ecologically unsound' investments, a review of his ties to the $20 billion hedge fund he led for two decades shows that he is only now becoming fully divested from energy firms linked to climate change."

Kerpen has produced online ads that attack Steyer and the Democratic candidates he is supporting in the upcoming midterm elections. One ad commences with a narrator's voice saying, "Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid is on the attack..." It then cuts to a sound bite of Reid on the Senate floor saying, "What is un-American is when shadowy billionaires pour unlimited money into our democracy to rig the system..."

It is a not so subtle jab at Reid's repeated references to the Koch Brothers - the Kansas libertarian billionaires who contribute mightily to conservative causes and candidates and who are regularly demonized by Reid and other Democrats.

Asked at Tuesday's press briefing whether he had any misgivings about Steyer's visit to the White House, given the prohibition against political activities there, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said, "I have no misgivings about the individuals who are participating in that meeting. Their political activities notwithstanding, the administration is committed to making progress in addressing the causes of climate change and reducing carbon pollution."

In April of 2013, President Obama, and Congressional Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Reid attended a fundraiser at Steyer's Bay area mansion. Kerpen said that shortly after that fundraiser, the entire Democratic party's messaging began to change.

"I think that's where the hardball really started," he said. "Because we saw a couple weeks after that the Democrats took to the Senate floor and spoke all night about climate change and Tom Steyer applauded them for that."

Some Democrats, especially those in tough re-election battles in energy rich states, are said to be fuming over the Steyer White House visit. One of them told the Washington Examiner, "If a Republican president did the same thing with the Koch brothers, we would skewer them."


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Old 06-28-2014, 04:39 PM   #31
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Please. Don't tell us the evidence is overwhelming as if you have an independent understanding of it. You're just repeating what you've heard and what you've come to believe just like those who don't believe it. That's true of everyone here including the scientists and engineers among us.
Speaking personally, I've studied the question of climate change for hundreds of hours. I've listened to dozens of talks from climate researchers. I've read dozens of original scientific papers about anthropogenic climate change. I've investigated dozens of claims by deniers, looked at their evidence, and found it unconvincing. I've taught climate change from an introductory (but mechanistic basis). Through my investigation of this question, in which I have weighed the evidence described above, I've changed my opinion on the matter.

My depth of investigation and understanding goes well beyond repeating what I've heard. I think that is true of several others that post in these climate threads. I have not contributed to climate models, or done original analysis of data. But in a scientific areas as diverse as climate and its effects, no one individual can be an expert in every domain and discipline needed to address the question. Even the most respected climate experts to some degree depend on the expertise of others to form their overall opinion.

I've looked at a great deal of evidence and dozens of claims of deniers. The overwhelming balance of evidence implicates that human's are currently having a large contribution to climate change that can be clearly discerned after taking natural influences on climate into account.
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Old 06-28-2014, 05:33 PM   #32
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Speaking personally, I've studied the question of climate change for hundreds of hours. I've listened to dozens of talks from climate researchers. I've read dozens of original scientific papers about anthropogenic climate change. I've investigated dozens of claims by deniers, looked at their evidence, and found it unconvincing. I've taught climate change from an introductory (but mechanistic basis). Through my investigation of this question, in which I have weighed the evidence described above, I've changed my opinion on the matter.

My depth of investigation and understanding goes well beyond repeating what I've heard. I think that is true of several others that post in these climate threads. I have not contributed to climate models, or done original analysis of data. But in a scientific areas as diverse as climate and its effects, no one individual can be an expert in every domain and discipline needed to address the question. Even the most respected climate experts to some degree depend on the expertise of others to form their overall opinion.

I've looked at a great deal of evidence and dozens of claims of deniers. The overwhelming balance of evidence implicates that human's are currently having a large contribution to climate change that can be clearly discerned after taking natural influences on climate into account.
So, you too are confused with all the fuzzy science and bullshit that liberal scientists are spreading in hopes of keeping the grants coming in so they can feed their kids and not get real jobs...
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Old 06-28-2014, 05:51 PM   #33
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Speaking personally, I've studied the question of climate change for hundreds of hours. I've listened to dozens of talks from climate researchers. I've read dozens of original scientific papers about anthropogenic climate change. I've investigated dozens of claims by deniers, looked at their evidence, and found it unconvincing. I've taught climate change from an introductory (but mechanistic basis). Through my investigation of this question, in which I have weighed the evidence described above, I've changed my opinion on the matter.

My depth of investigation and understanding goes well beyond repeating what I've heard. I think that is true of several others that post in these climate threads. I have not contributed to climate models, or done original analysis of data. But in a scientific areas as diverse as climate and its effects, no one individual can be an expert in every domain and discipline needed to address the question. Even the most respected climate experts to some degree depend on the expertise of others to form their overall opinion.

I've looked at a great deal of evidence and dozens of claims of deniers. The overwhelming balance of evidence implicates that human's are currently having a large contribution to climate change that can be clearly discerned after taking natural influences on climate into account.
I shouldn't have said you *just* repeat what you've heard as if you invest no thought at all or digest nothing of the science, but you essentially admit what I was trying to say, ie that even our CP scientists and engineers have to rely on the claims of others for much of what they believe on this subject.
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Old 06-28-2014, 06:24 PM   #34
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I shouldn't have said you *just* repeat what you've heard as if you invest no thought at all or digest nothing of the science, but you essentially admit what I was trying to say, ie that even our CP scientists and engineers have to rely on the claims of others for much of what they believe on this subject.
And the same is true of nearly all scientists working in complex areas. My "much" is bigger than the "much" of climate scientist's, obviously. But scientists routinely rely on the previous findings of others to make new progress, without going back to personally verify the previous work of others. For example, I would be willing to wager that the vast majority of climate scientists have never personally measured the absorption spectrum of CO2. But they can use that knowledge (as can I) to predict the effect of CO2 (or another gas for which the absorption spectrum is known) on average planetary temperature.
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Old 06-28-2014, 07:00 PM   #35
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I must admit I was very naive in the whole democrat push in global warming. I actually thought they really believed in it. The purpose of this thread is to point out that isn't the case. It has more to do with keeping their political careers alive than the actual issue.

So now that we know the battle lines are drawn anytime Obama, Reid, stupid **** throw out words like 'deniers' their rhetoric should be ignored. It is a fact the direction they want to go is a war on the middle class. Nothing more, nothing less with the exception they'll still be invited to high class dinners. They're all Al Gore type hypocrites.
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Old 06-28-2014, 07:17 PM   #36
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The White House's solar panels, conspicuously unveiled last month, provide power sufficient to light 20 light bulbs a day, or about 2% of the White House's consumption rate.
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Old 06-28-2014, 07:30 PM   #37
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The White House's solar panels, conspicuously unveiled last month, provide power sufficient to light 20 light bulbs a day, or about 2% of the White House's consumption rate.
We're good then. Everybody go back to being normal, Obama kicked the sun's ass...
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The White House's solar panels, conspicuously unveiled last month, provide power sufficient to light 20 light bulbs a day, or about 2% of the White House's consumption rate.
I wonder how many middle income tax dollars paid for those and which Democratic donors made off with the loot.
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Bull ****ing shit!

And nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise.

Is Climate Change happening? Sure.

What were humans doing to cause the Ice Age?
The Ice Age change happened over thousands of years. We're changing the climate in a matter of decades.
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The Ice Age change happened over thousands of years. We're changing the climate in a matter of decades.

Well, no. But carry on.
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Well, no. But carry on.
Which part are you doubting? Because there is evidence that ice age changes happen over tens of thousands of years, while the current changes have happened over decades. So whatever natural causes are responsible for ice ages clearly aren't applicable to the current changes.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:09 PM   #43
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He's not doubting, he's engaging in magical thinking - the belief that by thinking something you can make it true. It's common in small children and RWNJs.

All the world's climate scientists are in on some grand scheme to deceive the public, because grant money - that sweet sweet living stipend. Yet the few fossil fuel industry funded shills who buck the scientific consensus - and get paid $millions for it – they're on the level.

It's just surreal that anyone with an IQ over 70 gets hoodwinked by this. Shows how powerful political tribalism can be – no matter how implausible. History will scratch it's head at how we could so stupid, the same way we look back at the Easter Islanders and wonder how they could be so dumb as to cut down all their trees to make Moai.

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The Ice Age change happened over thousands of years. We're changing the climate in a matter of decades.
More bullshit
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So, we've seen the same level of climate change as the Ice Age over the past several decades?
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