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Old 06-26-2014, 09:16 PM  
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The real reason Democrats push global warming. Campaign money

Environmentalist and Democrat mega-donor accused of hypocrisy

With his increasing visibility and political involvement, San Francisco environmentalist and mega-Democratic campaign donor Tom Steyer is making Democrats a rich target for hypocrisy, critics say.

Steyer has pledged $100 million this year to elect Democrats who are committed to fighting global warming and the Keystone XL pipeline.

He was in Washington Wednesday for private meetings at the White House and to promote his "Risky Business" project, which attempts to get American business to adapt to climate change.

In a previous meeting Tuesday in New York, Steyer told reporters, "We need to reward people whose behavior reduces climate risk and penalize people who add to it."

By that measure, Steyer himself might well be due for punishment. Critics say Steyer made his fortune, in part, from fossil fuels - the very energy source he now condemns - while he was a hedge fund manager at Farallon Capital Management, a firm he founded.

"This is somebody who really made his fortune largely investing in fossil fuels who now wants to close off the ability to use fossil fuels to a lot of other people who aren't as wealthy," said Phil Kerpen, president of the conservative political action committee American Commitment.

Earlier this month, The Washington Post reported, "Steyer said in 2012 that he was halting his 'ecologically unsound' investments, a review of his ties to the $20 billion hedge fund he led for two decades shows that he is only now becoming fully divested from energy firms linked to climate change."

Kerpen has produced online ads that attack Steyer and the Democratic candidates he is supporting in the upcoming midterm elections. One ad commences with a narrator's voice saying, "Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid is on the attack..." It then cuts to a sound bite of Reid on the Senate floor saying, "What is un-American is when shadowy billionaires pour unlimited money into our democracy to rig the system..."

It is a not so subtle jab at Reid's repeated references to the Koch Brothers - the Kansas libertarian billionaires who contribute mightily to conservative causes and candidates and who are regularly demonized by Reid and other Democrats.

Asked at Tuesday's press briefing whether he had any misgivings about Steyer's visit to the White House, given the prohibition against political activities there, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said, "I have no misgivings about the individuals who are participating in that meeting. Their political activities notwithstanding, the administration is committed to making progress in addressing the causes of climate change and reducing carbon pollution."

In April of 2013, President Obama, and Congressional Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Reid attended a fundraiser at Steyer's Bay area mansion. Kerpen said that shortly after that fundraiser, the entire Democratic party's messaging began to change.

"I think that's where the hardball really started," he said. "Because we saw a couple weeks after that the Democrats took to the Senate floor and spoke all night about climate change and Tom Steyer applauded them for that."

Some Democrats, especially those in tough re-election battles in energy rich states, are said to be fuming over the Steyer White House visit. One of them told the Washington Examiner, "If a Republican president did the same thing with the Koch brothers, we would skewer them."


Doug McKelway joined Fox News Channel (FNC) in November 2010 and serves as a Washington-based correspondent. Click here for more information on Doug McKelway.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...y-accusations/
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Old 06-29-2014, 03:02 PM   #46
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So, we've seen the same level of climate change as the Ice Age over the past several decades?
The ice age is traveling 10 miles over 30,000 years.

Our current change traveling 1 mile in 60 years.

So the velocity of difference is a factor of 50. It's like the difference in walking and high speed rail.
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Old 06-29-2014, 03:28 PM   #47
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The ice age is traveling 10 miles over 30,000 years.

Our current change traveling 1 mile in 60 years.

So the velocity of difference is a factor of 50. It's like the difference in walking and high speed rail.
Ridiculous...high speed rail wasn't even invented yet during the Ice Age.
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Old 06-29-2014, 03:58 PM   #48
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The charts and graphs devised by NASA and the government’s other science agencies back up the president’s words. And well they should, because the charts, like the “science,” were faked.

the decade of the 1930s the hottest on record.
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Old 06-29-2014, 04:16 PM   #49
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...igged-science/

The charts and graphs devised by NASA and the government’s other science agencies back up the president’s words. And well they should, because the charts, like the “science,” were faked.

the decade of the 1930s the hottest on record.
Geez, this was debunked in 2009:

http://bartonpaullevenson.com/1930s.html

and again in 2011:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...e-analy/175826

No data were faked despite what birther Steve Goddard, who doesn't post under his real name says. Yet the conservative media keeps publishing this garbage.

The 1930s were hotter than the 1990s in the US, but it is called global climate change, not US climate change. Both the 1990s and 2000s were hotter than the 1930s, when global temperatures (not US temperatures) are considered.

Another denier claim debunked.
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Old 06-29-2014, 06:34 PM   #50
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Old 06-29-2014, 08:23 PM   #51
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The ice age is traveling 10 miles over 30,000 years.

Our current change traveling 1 mile in 60 years.

So the velocity of difference is a factor of 50. It's like the difference in walking and high speed rail.
So, this means humans are responsible?
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Old 06-29-2014, 08:27 PM   #52
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So, this means humans are responsible?
No Bush is responsible. Haven't you been paying attention?
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Old 06-29-2014, 08:44 PM   #53
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This issue will never be settled or communicated until it is taken away from crazy people. The Climate Change sect is a bunch of loons who manipulate data and lie and change constantly trying to find a way to sell this garbage.

It may be real. But you can't ever win if you constantly bash those who don't agree. Or ask questions. Or challenge.

Climate change is a mix of science, speculation, and projection. If you want to sell this stuff get your shit together and make valid points. And ditch loons.
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Old 06-29-2014, 09:46 PM   #54
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So, this means humans are responsible?
No, but it shows that natural processes that resulted in global cooling are not easily linked to the current rate of climate change.

The evidence that humans are causing the current climate change is that we are having large impacts on the composition of the atmosphere, and the composition of the atmosphere is known to affect climate. For example, major volcanic eruptions have been proven to change the climate over the following couple of years. Given our impacts on the composition of the atmosphere, it would be shocking if no changes in climate occurred as a result.
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Old 06-30-2014, 09:20 AM   #55
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I'm at the point now where I'm only going to make one post per man-made climate change thread. Those here who deny its existence, causes, effects, or severity are not going to change their minds no matter what I would say, apparently even if I were an accomplished and highly educated climatologist, which I am not.

Therefore, I will defer to those who are, among whom it is not an even debate, and I'll just drop these few links here for those who might be new or who want to re-examine the evidence. First, I'm including a YouTube (audio only, really) of how scientific consensus works, and then the actual evidence, finished with a link to the recent Cosmos episode. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g-FYa44hiE

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...fclimatechange
http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
http://www.climate.gov/news-features...uestions#show6
http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/index.shtml

Here is the full-length Cosmos episode "The World Set Free", on climate change. If you don't have that kind of time or patience, this summary in the LA Times will do.

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Old 06-30-2014, 09:30 AM   #56
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And I'm immediately breaking my own rule, just this once, to remind people that cdcox is not a layman in this subject. He's being modest when he says about how it's not his field, so he can only speak so much about it. He's a climate engineer with an advanced degree and, as he just recently posted, he has done more research in this subject than the rest of us ever will. He's also, if you haven't noticed, answering all of your questions.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that every poster here is on equal footing regarding the subject. Listen to the expert.
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Old 06-30-2014, 10:08 AM   #57
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[quote=Direckshun;10718549]If you want campaign money on the issue of global warming, you deny it. Oil companies shit out millions in campaign contributions, compared to the much smaller amounts by environmental groups -- is there any question, there?

Manmade global warming is happening. Period. The Democratic Party (AND the Republican Party) should push that message.[/QUOTE

The antarctic ice sheet covers more area today than anytime in the last 35 years.
Whenever progressives say period, it means that the opposite is true. Silly socialists.
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The antarctic ice sheet covers more area today than anytime in the last 35 years.
Whenever progressives say period, it means that the opposite is true. Silly socialists.
The Antarctic ice sheet is huge, and is considered to be made up of many parts. Generally there are parts of it shrinking and parts of it expanding at the same time. Which is why you commonly get conflicting reports that it's melting or it's expanding during the same time period. Currently, the western part is experiencing accelerated melting. While the southern part is currently expanding. But the western melt is so great right now, that most scientists involved are worried that it may not recover back to the normal cyclical melt/refreeze.

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New research shows a major section of west Antarctica's ice sheet will completely melt in coming centuries and probably raise sea levels higher than previously predicted, revealing another impact from the world's changing climate.

According to a study released Monday, warm ocean currents and geographic peculiarities have helped kick off a chain reaction at the Amundsen Sea-area glaciers, melting them faster than previously realized and pushing them "past the point of no return," NASA glaciologist Eric Rignot told reporters.
The glacial retreat there "appears unstoppable," said Rignot, lead author of a joint NASA-University of California Irvine paper that used 40 years of satellite data and aircraft studies

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The rate at which the area's ice is melting has increased 77% since 1973, and there are several reasons, researchers said.

The ice sheet there, unlike those in much of east Antarctica, is attached to a bed below sea level. That means ocean currents can deliver warm water at the glaciers' base, or grounding lines -- places where the ice attaches to the bed, NASA said.

The heat makes the grounding line retreat inland, leaving a less massive ice shelf above.
When ice shelves lose mass, they can't hold back inland glaciers from flowing toward the sea. Glaciers then flow faster and become thin as a result, and this thinning is conducive to more grounding-line retreat, NASA said.
"The system (becomes) a chain reaction that is unstoppable, (with) every process of retreat feeding the next one," Rignot said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/12/us/nas...tica-ice-melt/
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And I'm immediately breaking my own rule, just this once, to remind people that cdcox is not a layman in this subject. He's being modest when he says about how it's not his field, so he can only speak so much about it. He's a climate engineer with an advanced degree and, as he just recently posted, he has done more research in this subject than the rest of us ever will. He's also, if you haven't noticed, answering all of your questions.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that every poster here is on equal footing regarding the subject. Listen to the expert.
Ah so he's a grant-whore and everything he says can be casually dismissed. Good to know.
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I remember when Ozone depletion was all the rage 20 years ago.

What happened with that?
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