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Old 06-26-2014, 08:16 PM  
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The real reason Democrats push global warming. Campaign money

Environmentalist and Democrat mega-donor accused of hypocrisy

With his increasing visibility and political involvement, San Francisco environmentalist and mega-Democratic campaign donor Tom Steyer is making Democrats a rich target for hypocrisy, critics say.

Steyer has pledged $100 million this year to elect Democrats who are committed to fighting global warming and the Keystone XL pipeline.

He was in Washington Wednesday for private meetings at the White House and to promote his "Risky Business" project, which attempts to get American business to adapt to climate change.

In a previous meeting Tuesday in New York, Steyer told reporters, "We need to reward people whose behavior reduces climate risk and penalize people who add to it."

By that measure, Steyer himself might well be due for punishment. Critics say Steyer made his fortune, in part, from fossil fuels - the very energy source he now condemns - while he was a hedge fund manager at Farallon Capital Management, a firm he founded.

"This is somebody who really made his fortune largely investing in fossil fuels who now wants to close off the ability to use fossil fuels to a lot of other people who aren't as wealthy," said Phil Kerpen, president of the conservative political action committee American Commitment.

Earlier this month, The Washington Post reported, "Steyer said in 2012 that he was halting his 'ecologically unsound' investments, a review of his ties to the $20 billion hedge fund he led for two decades shows that he is only now becoming fully divested from energy firms linked to climate change."

Kerpen has produced online ads that attack Steyer and the Democratic candidates he is supporting in the upcoming midterm elections. One ad commences with a narrator's voice saying, "Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid is on the attack..." It then cuts to a sound bite of Reid on the Senate floor saying, "What is un-American is when shadowy billionaires pour unlimited money into our democracy to rig the system..."

It is a not so subtle jab at Reid's repeated references to the Koch Brothers - the Kansas libertarian billionaires who contribute mightily to conservative causes and candidates and who are regularly demonized by Reid and other Democrats.

Asked at Tuesday's press briefing whether he had any misgivings about Steyer's visit to the White House, given the prohibition against political activities there, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said, "I have no misgivings about the individuals who are participating in that meeting. Their political activities notwithstanding, the administration is committed to making progress in addressing the causes of climate change and reducing carbon pollution."

In April of 2013, President Obama, and Congressional Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Reid attended a fundraiser at Steyer's Bay area mansion. Kerpen said that shortly after that fundraiser, the entire Democratic party's messaging began to change.

"I think that's where the hardball really started," he said. "Because we saw a couple weeks after that the Democrats took to the Senate floor and spoke all night about climate change and Tom Steyer applauded them for that."

Some Democrats, especially those in tough re-election battles in energy rich states, are said to be fuming over the Steyer White House visit. One of them told the Washington Examiner, "If a Republican president did the same thing with the Koch brothers, we would skewer them."


Doug McKelway joined Fox News Channel (FNC) in November 2010 and serves as a Washington-based correspondent. Click here for more information on Doug McKelway.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...y-accusations/
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:21 PM   #61
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I remember when Ozone depletion was all the rage 20 years ago.

What happened with that?
Was a non starter on the income side. Morphed into Global Cooling. That didn't really drive the cash. Gore was out of work. Wrote a book. Dems climbed on. Big Bucks rollin now.

I know I left some stuff out. Volcanos and shit and Polar Bears and El Nino.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:50 PM   #62
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:52 PM   #63
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Old 06-30-2014, 09:23 PM   #64
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I remember when Ozone depletion was all the rage 20 years ago.

What happened with that?
It was just a scientific checking account that ran dry. Like this global warning one will some day too.

The science community got together and found the next crisis to get rich over, and stay employed in academia..
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Old 06-30-2014, 10:46 PM   #65
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Geez, this was debunked in 2009:

http://bartonpaullevenson.com/1930s.html

and again in 2011:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...e-analy/175826

No data were faked despite what birther Steve Goddard, who doesn't post under his real name says. Yet the conservative media keeps publishing this garbage.

The 1930s were hotter than the 1990s in the US, but it is called global climate change, not US climate change. Both the 1990s and 2000s were hotter than the 1930s, when global temperatures (not US temperatures) are considered.

Another denier claim debunked.
Right... you're full of shit.
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Old 06-30-2014, 10:49 PM   #66
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The President is simultaneously blaming cold weather for the bad GDP report, while saying warming is a threat that must be fixed ASAP
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Old 06-30-2014, 10:57 PM   #67
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I remember when Ozone depletion was all the rage 20 years ago.

What happened with that?
You're joking right? We banned CFCs along with the international community, and the hole shrank just as predicted. It's one of the great environmental action success stories.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
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Old 06-30-2014, 11:05 PM   #68
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Old 06-30-2014, 11:12 PM   #69
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Right... you're full of shit.
Didn't read, but searched for "climate". Nary a mention.
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Old 06-30-2014, 11:16 PM   #70
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You're joking right? We banned CFCs along with the international community, and the hole shrank just as predicted. It's one of the great environmental action success stories.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
This.

It was a relatively cheap fix to a huge and very significant problem. It will take some time for the CFCs in the atmosphere to be depleted and for the ozone hole to go away, but the reason you don't hear about it in the popular media is that the problem is for all intents and purposes, solved.
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Old 06-30-2014, 11:37 PM   #71
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And I'm immediately breaking my own rule, just this once, to remind people that cdcox is not a layman in this subject. He's being modest when he says about how it's not his field, so he can only speak so much about it. He's a climate engineer with an advanced degree and, as he just recently posted, he has done more research in this subject than the rest of us ever will. He's also, if you haven't noticed, answering all of your questions.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that every poster here is on equal footing regarding the subject. Listen to the expert.
I'm an environmental engineer, but I focus mostly on water quality, biofuels processing, and some really weird areas of biology. I don't consider myself to be a climate engineer or claim to be a climate expert. I have not published in this area, and I've only submitted one grant related to an interdisciplinary graduate student education and training program related to climate change (my role was as an administrative leader) which was not funded.

I don't consider myself to be an expert on climate, but I don't rely blindly on what the experts say. I've dug into many of the claims of the deniers, and find most of them at best naive and at worst deliberately misleading.
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Old 06-30-2014, 11:55 PM   #72
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I'm an environmental engineer, but I focus mostly on water quality, biofuels processing, and some really weird areas of biology. I don't consider myself to be a climate engineer or claim to be a climate expert. I have not published in this area, and I've only submitted one grant related to an interdisciplinary graduate student education and training program related to climate change (my role was as an administrative leader) which was not funded.

I don't consider myself to be an expert on climate, but I don't rely blindly on what the experts say. I've dug into many of the claims of the deniers, and find most of them at best naive and at worst deliberately misleading.
this is obviously a socialist that wants to make money off the climate hoax /rwnjs
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Old 07-01-2014, 01:42 AM   #73
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You're joking right? We banned CFCs along with the international community, and the hole shrank just as predicted. It's one of the great environmental action success stories.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/1...zone-hole-yet/
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Old 07-01-2014, 06:17 AM   #74
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Ok. Someday it will be one of thr great environmental success stories.
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Can we look at this for a minute. Nowhere in the article is the adverse effects of Chlorine on Ozone refuted. Indeed Chlorine is called a radical chemical reactant in that in depleting the Ozone to just Oxygen it also produces Chlorine. That is what radical chemistry is about. The reactant radical is also the product so it can continually deplete Ozone even in low concentrations. But it does have to be physically in "contact" with the Ozone. And that is the discussion in the article. The existing Chlorine, introduced by Freon, is still available at this time. BUT the Ozone hole and the amount of Chlorine are not growing with the ban on the use of Freon. The actual removal of Chlorine would be seen say when two radicals come together and in a form that easily removed from the atmosphere. That is a much rarer event because the Chlorine is in such low concentrations compared to what makes up the rest of the Atmosphere so it doesn't meet up with other radicals readily. The half life scale for Chlorine to be removed as a radical is still in play. And that is why we haven't seen substantial increase in Ozone or reduction of Ozone hole but optimistically we are seeing no increase in the hole and net loss of Ozone. That is how the science predicted it would go.
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