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Old 06-26-2014, 08:16 PM  
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The real reason Democrats push global warming. Campaign money

Environmentalist and Democrat mega-donor accused of hypocrisy

With his increasing visibility and political involvement, San Francisco environmentalist and mega-Democratic campaign donor Tom Steyer is making Democrats a rich target for hypocrisy, critics say.

Steyer has pledged $100 million this year to elect Democrats who are committed to fighting global warming and the Keystone XL pipeline.

He was in Washington Wednesday for private meetings at the White House and to promote his "Risky Business" project, which attempts to get American business to adapt to climate change.

In a previous meeting Tuesday in New York, Steyer told reporters, "We need to reward people whose behavior reduces climate risk and penalize people who add to it."

By that measure, Steyer himself might well be due for punishment. Critics say Steyer made his fortune, in part, from fossil fuels - the very energy source he now condemns - while he was a hedge fund manager at Farallon Capital Management, a firm he founded.

"This is somebody who really made his fortune largely investing in fossil fuels who now wants to close off the ability to use fossil fuels to a lot of other people who aren't as wealthy," said Phil Kerpen, president of the conservative political action committee American Commitment.

Earlier this month, The Washington Post reported, "Steyer said in 2012 that he was halting his 'ecologically unsound' investments, a review of his ties to the $20 billion hedge fund he led for two decades shows that he is only now becoming fully divested from energy firms linked to climate change."

Kerpen has produced online ads that attack Steyer and the Democratic candidates he is supporting in the upcoming midterm elections. One ad commences with a narrator's voice saying, "Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid is on the attack..." It then cuts to a sound bite of Reid on the Senate floor saying, "What is un-American is when shadowy billionaires pour unlimited money into our democracy to rig the system..."

It is a not so subtle jab at Reid's repeated references to the Koch Brothers - the Kansas libertarian billionaires who contribute mightily to conservative causes and candidates and who are regularly demonized by Reid and other Democrats.

Asked at Tuesday's press briefing whether he had any misgivings about Steyer's visit to the White House, given the prohibition against political activities there, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said, "I have no misgivings about the individuals who are participating in that meeting. Their political activities notwithstanding, the administration is committed to making progress in addressing the causes of climate change and reducing carbon pollution."

In April of 2013, President Obama, and Congressional Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Reid attended a fundraiser at Steyer's Bay area mansion. Kerpen said that shortly after that fundraiser, the entire Democratic party's messaging began to change.

"I think that's where the hardball really started," he said. "Because we saw a couple weeks after that the Democrats took to the Senate floor and spoke all night about climate change and Tom Steyer applauded them for that."

Some Democrats, especially those in tough re-election battles in energy rich states, are said to be fuming over the Steyer White House visit. One of them told the Washington Examiner, "If a Republican president did the same thing with the Koch brothers, we would skewer them."


Doug McKelway joined Fox News Channel (FNC) in November 2010 and serves as a Washington-based correspondent. Click here for more information on Doug McKelway.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...y-accusations/
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Old 07-02-2014, 03:35 PM   #121
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From your very first link:
Its a great link. Most are really doing nothing and ascribing value to it. Brazil hopes to curb illegal logging...but there is a proposal to expand logging.... Thats specal.

Aussies cutting deforestation and having a new tax....remember this tax deal. In reality climate change is a front to gain tax dollars.

Check the Canadians.


Climate change is real. Climate will always change. Its just now for the first time become a source for taxes and manipulation of energy markets to achieve financial goals. Watch the money.
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Old 07-02-2014, 03:43 PM   #122
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China will continue to step up its efforts to address climate change in a bid to achieve the target of reducing CO2 emissions per unit of GDP by 40 to 45 percent by 2020 from the 2005 levels
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Old 07-02-2014, 03:45 PM   #123
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Say you pay $250@mo for electricity, would you be willing to pay $600@mo to continue to air condition when the nearest coal fired plant closes?
This is hilarious. Carbon capture which may not even be an optimized solution would increase energy costs in the range of 35-45% with current technology. This is a huge increase in cost, that I am not trying to trivialize. Yet this scenario is not extreme enough for you. Instead you have to extremely exaggerate the situation to make the costs three times higher than what they actually would be. Why are you resorting to scare tactics? Who's the alarmist now?

Why can we not address this problem in a rational grown up way? I just don't understand it.
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Old 07-02-2014, 03:47 PM   #124
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And China is nearly as open to being checked up on as Obamas IRS. Fairy Gardens and Unicorns ridden by Pixies are just as real.
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Old 07-02-2014, 03:47 PM   #125
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Its a great link. Most are really doing nothing and ascribing value to it. Brazil hopes to curb illegal logging...but there is a proposal to expand logging.... Thats specal.

Aussies cutting deforestation and having a new tax....remember this tax deal. In reality climate change is a front to gain tax dollars.

Check the Canadians.


Climate change is real. Climate will always change. Its just now for the first time become a source for taxes and manipulation of energy markets to achieve financial goals. Watch the money.
Brazil has already reduced their deforestation by 70%: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/06/16/brazi...deforestation/

Which actually makes them the current world leader in reducing carbon emissions: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-environment/

So yeah, that is special.
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Old 07-02-2014, 03:51 PM   #126
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They plan on dramatically expanding their GDP over that time. That's not a reduction in emissions. Stop trying to muddy the water. The global atmosphere doesn't care about GDP.
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Old 07-02-2014, 03:55 PM   #127
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Amazing how many stories told by the Climate Change industry has an equal and opposite story told elsewhere. You post an NPR link to support your tale. Only to discover it doesn't. Then with the speed of light a new link is produced with different stuff to off set the first stuff



This is exactly why Climate Change and all of the outcry is not selling. Remember ClimateGate? Was nothing learned? You cannot make hyperbolic claims and select these data points only to change when they are questioned.

Credibility is hard to establish if the story is in constant flux.
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They plan on dramatically expanding their GDP over that time. That's not a reduction in emissions. Stop trying to muddy the water. The global atmosphere doesn't care about GDP.
Your claim was that the rest of the world refuses to chip in regarding climate change and US efforts would be negated. That's obviously false. I'll let you nitpick the details if it makes you feel better.
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Amazon deforestation increased by one-third in past year


http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ased-one-third

Its like Climate Chess
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http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ased-one-third

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Read your own link, dummy. There was a 28% increase just from the previous year, because of a change in regulation. That doesn't mean their emission reductions are not legit. From your link:

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In the Amazon, the use of satellite data has helped the government slash deforestation by 80% since 2003-4 by allowing police to pinpoint illegal activity in the vast forest, which is bigger than western Europe. But the 5,800km2 in 2012-13 was a 28% increase on the record-low in the previous year.
If anything, that illustrates the importance of policy in these matters.
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Your claim was that the rest of the world refuses to chip in regarding climate change and US efforts would be negated. That's obviously false. I'll let you nitpick the details if it makes you feel better.
No, it's not false. The developing world refuses to even contemplate reducing emissions.

False = Your attempt to convince people that these countries were planning to decrease emissions by 2020.

We're not talking about nitpicking here, we're talking about a failure on the part of these developing countries to stop increasing emissions, much less reduce them (or even commit to doing so).
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Read your own link, dummy.
That's rich.
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Well they are smarter than those who dare question....science stops asking questions when the goal is to prove a point rather than confirm it. Its dummies who are keeping the smarties in check.
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Les Woodcock isn't a climate expert and it is obvious that he hasn't taken the time to investigate the most basic aspects of climate. He states:

"The theory is that the CO2 emitted by burning fossil fuel is the 'greenhouse gas' causes 'global warming' - in fact, water is a much more powerful greenhouse gas and there is 20 time more of it in our atmosphere (around one per cent of the atmosphere) whereas CO2 is only 0.04 per cent."
Anyone who tries to put this whole water vapor thing forth as having anything to do with the climate change argument is being completely disingenuous or dumber than a box of rocks.

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