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Old 06-27-2014, 11:33 AM  
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75% of conservatives say the poor "have it easy."

This is somewhere in league with conservatives thinking video games are more dangerous than guns.

Divorced from reality.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-have-it-easy/

More than three quarters of conservatives say the poor “have it easy”
By Christopher Ingraham
June 26



So much for compassionate conservatism.

The Pew Research Center is out with part two of its huge survey of American politics. The first part, released a couple weeks ago, focused on political polarization. For this round, Pew's researchers have created a political typology which "sorts voters into cohesive groups based on their attitudes and values." There's plenty to say about this - and you can see where you fall in Pew's typology quiz here! - but for now I want to focus on the chart above, particularly the left half.

More than three quarters of conservative Americans - those in the steadfast conservative, business conservative, and young outsider typology groups - agree that "poor people have it easy because they can get government benefits without doing anything." Only seven percent of steadfast conservatives say that the poor "have hard lives."

Even a not-insignificant share of left-leaning groups say that the poor have it easy. But overall the widespread agreements among conservatives on this point is what's really striking here. There are reasonable, well-intentioned arguments on either side of many poverty-related issues - about the causes of poverty (see the right half of the chart), or whether government benefits provide a leg up or simply perpetuate poverty, for instance.

But I have a hard time understanding how you could read about the experience of families relying on food stamps to eat, or those trying to manage chronic conditions with Medicaid, and conclude that these people somehow have it easy. For context, here is a brief and wildly incomplete list of the ways life is "easy" when you're poor:The notion that poor people have it easy is at odds with the data.
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Old 06-27-2014, 03:09 PM   #46
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are you ****ing up Romans 13:1-7? Because if that's your intent, please chew your own ball sack off; you should not reproduce.
You're quite an evangelist.
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Old 06-27-2014, 03:29 PM   #47
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Good Lord, this thread is loneiguana-ish. So the choice is between "we need more government programs for the poor" and "we already have enough government programs for the poor"* and Direckshun is shocked that conservatives tend to think we have enough government.

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* not direct quotes, but a hell of a lot closer than Direckshun's characterization
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Old 06-27-2014, 04:04 PM   #48
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This is somewhere in league with conservatives thinking video games are more dangerous than guns.
And the metric system. And soccer.
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Old 06-27-2014, 04:20 PM   #49
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The only thing that the OP demonstrates is that extremes on both sides are equally as stupid.
I don't think it even proves that. It proves that some people misuse survey data though.
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Old 06-27-2014, 06:42 PM   #50
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You are correct that it was Paul (in Thessalonians) - I was focused on the picture and misspoke.

But there you go otherwise misunderstanding the Bible. Yes you pay your taxes and support your government - but that does NOT in no way shape or form mean vote for high taxes and fall prey to radical governments... or do you have to have every detail spelled out to you?

As for your other comment, are you ****ing up Romans 13:1-7? Because if that's your intent, please chew your own ball sack off; you should not reproduce.
Where do you think Jesus would want your tax dollars going? Not helping those who need it?

And there are more than a few biblical verses on government besides your Roman verses that say "those that exist (government) have been instituted by God."

1 Peter 2:13-14; Titus 3:1 ; Romans 13:4 ; Mark 12:17
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:04 PM   #51
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I was referring to why Jesus asked the question in the first place. It wasn't as Jay Cosmo believed, to be insulting.
That is what I was saying. In the story in question he didn't ask any question.
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:37 PM   #52
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:51 PM   #53
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I was referring to why Jesus asked the question in the first place. It wasn't as Jay Cosmo believed, to be insulting.
No shit, really? Cause I thought he was making fun of the leper, like a divine Don Rickles.
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Old 06-28-2014, 08:13 AM   #54
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Other places have it worse, so Let's not talk about or try to help those in our country.
Don't distort it. I was correcting a lie someone was telling and in no way indicating what you are pretending I was.

Again why don't you try reading people's words and understanding them BEFORE being an asshole?
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:03 AM   #55
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Don't distort it. I was correcting a lie someone was telling and in no way indicating what you are pretending I was.

Again why don't you try reading people's words and understanding them BEFORE being an asshole?
I was actually agreeing with you, but whatever... go on not understanding people before being an asshole.
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Old 06-28-2014, 01:02 PM   #56
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People on welfare, may or may not start out lazy, but too many benefits, especially permanent, destroy the incentive to do what's needed to improve one's lot in life. So in that sense, the poor do have it easy. They may not get rich but they have less incentive to aspire for more or improve.

It's kinda like too much welfare in Denmark has resulted in 40% of the adult population living on govt transfer income full-time. Tho' welfare statists claim it's worth it because it makes an "easier" life. Can't any different for the poor here.

Don't need to try to do more if things are too easy. This has not led to a high level of innovation over there and is not even sustainable. At some point, things won't be easy for them anymore.
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Old 06-28-2014, 01:26 PM   #58
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People on welfare, may or may not start out lazy, but too many benefits, especially permanent, destroy the incentive to do what's needed to improve one's lot in life. So in that sense, the poor do have it easy. They may not get rich but they have less incentive to aspire for more or improve.

It's kinda like too much welfare in Denmark has resulted in 40% of the adult population living on govt transfer income full-time. Tho' welfare statists claim it's worth it because it makes an "easier" life. Can't any different for the poor here.

Don't need to try to do more if things are too easy. This has not led to a high level of innovation over there and is not even sustainable. At some point, things won't be easy for them anymore.
Between that reality of human nature and the comparison to what "being poor" means in almost every other part of the world, I don't see how anyone who chooses the "have it easy" option can be criticized. Particularly since the only other option is a call for even bigger government than we already have.
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That is what I was saying. In the story in question he didn't ask any question.
You might be thinking of a different parable because your posts aren't making sense to me. I'm referring to the leper at Bethesda:
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No shit, really? Cause I thought he was making fun of the leper, like a divine Don Rickles.
Oh, that was what you wrote so I just took you at your word. I'll remember not to read your words next time.
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