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NORTH SMITHFIELD, R.I. – First Lady Michelle Obama’s healthy school lunch menu is finally getting some love from a group of young eaters.

Some 3,000 pigs at My Blue Heaven Farm in Rhode Island have been dining on students’ lunch leftovers from two nearby school systems, according to WoonsocketCall.com.

The pigs are enjoying “half-eaten tuna sandwiches and other food scraps students discard during their lunch periods” as part of a new recycling program established by the town of Cumberland, the news site reports.

The recycling program has been so successful that officials are planning to expand it in the fall.

The school food that’s being “repurposed” as pig feed is described as “nutritious,” and it certainly is.
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Old 07-06-2014, 03:45 AM   #16
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It's time to shit-can this idiotic program.


Kids are going to be fat because of their parents, not a school lunch.
I think this is an absolutely lazy excuse for tackling childhood obesity. Kids are impressionable and have less developed palettes. They can at least develop a taste for fruits and vegetables and whole grains. I'm not a fan of Michelle Obama, but at least she's creating dialogue that it's unacceptable for any school to allow kids to eat like crap within their walls. It's just her approach is wrong.

First, this is a local government decision, not federal. Start by shit-canning all crap food like vending machines. Explore creative options for cheaper but healthier food, like food sharing. Most importantly, teach kids to be better eaters. Let them enjoy fruits and vegetables by encouraging them to grow their own. Bring home ec back to the classroom since nobody in this new generation seems to know how to cook anymore. For crying out loud, stop cutting physical education from schools.

I get that some kids will never control their family eating decisions and some just have poor access to good food. But good education and acclimation can maybe help them correct their family's poor decisions in some cases, and in others hopefully lead to an adulthood where they make better decisions on their own. But simply standing back and blaming families isn't the answer. Something big needs to change.
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Old 07-06-2014, 07:06 AM   #17
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I think this is an absolutely lazy excuse for tackling childhood obesity. Kids are impressionable and have less developed palettes. They can at least develop a taste for fruits and vegetables and whole grains. I'm not a fan of Michelle Obama, but at least she's creating dialogue that it's unacceptable for any school to allow kids to eat like crap within their walls. It's just her approach is wrong.

First, this is a local government decision, not federal. Start by shit-canning all crap food like vending machines. Explore creative options for cheaper but healthier food, like food sharing. Most importantly, teach kids to be better eaters. Let them enjoy fruits and vegetables by encouraging them to grow their own. Bring home ec back to the classroom since nobody in this new generation seems to know how to cook anymore. For crying out loud, stop cutting physical education from schools.

I get that some kids will never control their family eating decisions and some just have poor access to good food. But good education and acclimation can maybe help them correct their family's poor decisions in some cases, and in others hopefully lead to an adulthood where they make better decisions on their own. But simply standing back and blaming families isn't the answer. Something big needs to change.
Good points all. Change when mandated from the top is not likely to succeed. Change that grows from the widest point is always more sustainable.
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Old 07-06-2014, 08:18 AM   #18
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I think this is an absolutely lazy excuse for tackling childhood obesity. Kids are impressionable and have less developed palettes. They can at least develop a taste for fruits and vegetables and whole grains. I'm not a fan of Michelle Obama, but at least she's creating dialogue that it's unacceptable for any school to allow kids to eat like crap within their walls. It's just her approach is wrong.

First, this is a local government decision, not federal. Start by shit-canning all crap food like vending machines. Explore creative options for cheaper but healthier food, like food sharing. Most importantly, teach kids to be better eaters. Let them enjoy fruits and vegetables by encouraging them to grow their own. Bring home ec back to the classroom since nobody in this new generation seems to know how to cook anymore. For crying out loud, stop cutting physical education from schools.

I get that some kids will never control their family eating decisions and some just have poor access to good food. But good education and acclimation can maybe help them correct their family's poor decisions in some cases, and in others hopefully lead to an adulthood where they make better decisions on their own. But simply standing back and blaming families isn't the answer. Something big needs to change.
Ah yes, change. We need more of that.
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Old 07-06-2014, 08:23 AM   #19
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I think this is an absolutely lazy excuse for tackling childhood obesity. Kids are impressionable and have less developed palettes. They can at least develop a taste for fruits and vegetables and whole grains. I'm not a fan of Michelle Obama, but at least she's creating dialogue that it's unacceptable for any school to allow kids to eat like crap within their walls. It's just her approach is wrong.

First, this is a local government decision, not federal. Start by shit-canning all crap food like vending machines. Explore creative options for cheaper but healthier food, like food sharing. Most importantly, teach kids to be better eaters. Let them enjoy fruits and vegetables by encouraging them to grow their own. Bring home ec back to the classroom since nobody in this new generation seems to know how to cook anymore. For crying out loud, stop cutting physical education from schools.

I get that some kids will never control their family eating decisions and some just have poor access to good food. But good education and acclimation can maybe help them correct their family's poor decisions in some cases, and in others hopefully lead to an adulthood where they make better decisions on their own. But simply standing back and blaming families isn't the answer. Something big needs to change.
What has changed the last 30 years?

The food and education has gotten much healthier in school. What is left?

The Parents at home.


My Aunt was head lunch lady for decades at the local school here. She basically said that we are starving the kids and they are going home and gorging themselves on bad food. The parents don't know any better so they keep feeding the beast.

Seriously, 850 calories for a growing HS kid?
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Old 07-06-2014, 08:54 AM   #20
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I think this is an absolutely lazy excuse for tackling childhood obesity. Kids are impressionable and have less developed palettes. They can at least develop a taste for fruits and vegetables and whole grains. I'm not a fan of Michelle Obama, but at least she's creating dialogue that it's unacceptable for any school to allow kids to eat like crap within their walls. It's just her approach is wrong.

First, this is a local government decision, not federal. Start by shit-canning all crap food like vending machines. Explore creative options for cheaper but healthier food, like food sharing. Most importantly, teach kids to be better eaters. Let them enjoy fruits and vegetables by encouraging them to grow their own. Bring home ec back to the classroom since nobody in this new generation seems to know how to cook anymore. For crying out loud, stop cutting physical education from schools.

I get that some kids will never control their family eating decisions and some just have poor access to good food. But good education and acclimation can maybe help them correct their family's poor decisions in some cases, and in others hopefully lead to an adulthood where they make better decisions on their own. But simply standing back and blaming families isn't the answer. Something big needs to change.
It's still a local issue. Local schools can decided whether they want to implant the standards or not. They don't lose funding if they decide not too. They just get more if they do adopt them.
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Old 07-06-2014, 09:30 AM   #21
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What has changed the last 30 years?

The food and education has gotten much healthier in school. What is left?

The Parents at home.
The education has improved marginally. But not while we teach that stupid food pyramid. And not while we ignore basics like complex carbs and portion control. It took me 30 years to finally educate myself on a lot of those things. My guess is most 30 year olds and above STILL don't know these basics. If they don't know it, and kids aren't teaching it to their parents, then the health education system is badly broken.

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My Aunt was head lunch lady for decades at the local school here. She basically said that we are starving the kids and they are going home and gorging themselves on bad food. The parents don't know any better so they keep feeding the beast.

Seriously, 850 calories for a growing HS kid?
Like I said, any measures need to be sensible which is why I said I love food shares with privately raised funding to help make sure a good amount of food is served. Starving kids won't help, nor will forcing kids to eat food against their will. By the way… I would bet a lot of the starving could easily be tempered by doing something as simple as introducing snacks throughout the day. But this isn't an approach I'm a big fan of because kids are going to resent it if it's forced on them. And probably going to be much harder to do that in middle school and high school when palettes are more developed. Eating healthy needs to be made fun and that's more likely to happen at a younger age. Many of the parents I've spoken to in good schools also talk about how their kid won't shut up at the grocery store about what foods to pick out. I don't see why it would at all be difficult to at least get kids speaking that kind of language.
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Old 07-06-2014, 09:36 AM   #22
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It's still a local issue. Local schools can decided whether they want to implant the standards or not. They don't lose funding if they decide not too. They just get more if they do adopt them.
I love how lefties call something voluntarily when there's financial inducements like this. Schools always want the money. This is how the feds crept their way into local schools--bribery.

The same claims was made when it was claimed Common Core was voluntarily. Only the feds gave them more money. It's inducement using a bribe.
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Old 07-06-2014, 09:42 AM   #23
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What has changed the last 30 years?
Fed govt subsidization of high fructose corn syrup is one change. Where's Michelle on that?
Then there's the bogus govt food pyramid.

I agree with educating kids on nutrition in school, growing vegetables and home economics. Better to do things that help people want to eat better--then forcing it.

My kid went to a private school from age 6-16. They had more than one course on nutrition beginning in the early ages, they had a kitchen where they cooked even at early ages, were taught to read labels on food packages as they got older, sugar was not allowed in the school and this was stipulated in the contract—except for special occasions and then only later in the afternoon.

But if the parents don't support those habits—then any of those things are doomed. There are a lot of parents that are ignorant of nutrition and poor eaters. Some of the lunches I saw packed by mothers in day-care were appalling. And some of the lunches provided by day-care were similar. Eating healthy does not come cheap.

Tarpon HS, has a whole culinary arts school even. My kid got exposed to that when she enrolled in one course there on another subject. So she wanted to take a course in that. She can cook and eats healthy—though the food at college hasn't been as good with more white flour stuff being served. But she has a small fridge under her bed.

One thing I always insisted on was a family supper together as a whole family. Some of these kids have schedules that rival a CEO's. When there's not time to slow down—then fast food gets indulged too often.
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Old 07-06-2014, 09:51 AM   #24
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the problem is not the parents. if the kids are encouraged and surrounded enough with healthy choices and it is being taught to them in school, the parents that are unhealthy that grew up without that education will wear out and decay. then the future generations will be further educated about nutrition and pass that along as we get more information and evolve. it's not like it's a completely hopeless idea to put healthy foods as school lunches just because some parents don't care about that stuff.
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Fed govt subsidization of high fructose corn syrup is one change. Where's Michelle on that?
Then there's the bogus govt food pyramid.

I agree with educating kids on nutrition in school, growing vegetables and home economics. Better to do things that help people want to eat better--then forcing it.

My kid went to a private school from age 6-16. They had more than one course on nutrition beginning in the early ages, they had a kitchen where they cooked even at early ages, were taught to read labels on food packages as they got older, sugar was not allowed in the school and this was stipulated in the contract—except for special occasions and then only later in the afternoon.

But if the parents don't support those habits—then any of those things are doomed. There are a lot of parents that are ignorant of nutrition and poor eaters. Some of the lunches I saw packed by mothers in day-care were appalling. And some of the lunches provided by day-care were similar. Eating healthy does not come cheap.

Tarpon HS, has a whole culinary arts school even. My kid got exposed to that when she enrolled in one course there on another subject. So she wanted to take a course in that. She can cook and eats healthy—though the food at college hasn't been as good with more white flour stuff being served. But she has a small fridge under her bed.

One thing I always insisted on was a family supper together as a whole family. Some of these kids have schedules that rival a CEO's. When there's not time to slow down—then fast food gets indulged too often.
I'd be curious to see if that system on the whole led to better eating habits 20 years later. I'd have to think it would, even if it didn't always happen right away. When they left their families and started living on their own. I always found it shocking how many times I re-learned about the Revolutionary War, and never once did I have a home ec class. Many people my age have no idea how to cook, and their kids will end up the same way. I don't want to say the answer is that simple. But a lot of it is or should be.
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It's still a local issue. Local schools can decided whether they want to implant the standards or not. They don't lose funding if they decide not too. They just get more if they do adopt them.
Implant. Interesting verbage.
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I'd be curious to see if that system on the whole led to better eating habits 20 years later. I'd have to think it would, even if it didn't always happen right away. When they left their families and started living on their own. I always found it shocking how many times I re-learned about the Revolutionary War, and never once did I have a home ec class. Many people my age have no idea how to cook, and their kids will end up the same way. I don't want to say the answer is that simple. But a lot of it is or should be.
I only know of two examples from kids that attended with her. No one else in that school was overweight.

One a boy, who was overweight at ages 6,7 up through middle school but slimmed down in HS. He works out now, is into fitness and health and looks amazing. He's lean, but I wouldn't call him skinny.

The other, a neighbor's child and friend was a tiny thing in all those grades but started to become overweight by age 14. Petite, slim and cute as a button. The mother is a Polish immigrant married to an American. They have an organic garden and the father was strict on food vs junk.

The mother and father are slim. The other daughter is a model. The Polish mother thinks American food is largely crap. She claims that in Europe they eat better quality food with hearty appetites and barely anyone is overweight. They go there twice a year with the kids since the dad works for Delta. I've eaten over there and it's meat, chicken, fish like salmon, veggies and that disgusting pickled herring the Poles love so much.

She was so concerned about the daughter's weight gain as a teen, that she brought her to a doctor and nutritionist. She claims the girl eats hardly anything. My daughter says the girl eats things like gigantic muffins when she's out with friends tho.'

Today, the girl is still overweight at age 19. She needs to lose about 35 or 40 lbs. Her overweight is not like that of what we consider obese but she is definitely overweight. It's too bad because she is so pretty.

There is no explanation for it—except the kid herself. She has no medical condition. The only thing that came out of seeing a doctor and nutritionist was that not eating all day slows down the metabolism. This is true. Small meals through the day are better. I thinks he suffers from hidden junk eating myself.
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Oh wait there was three more I just remembered. All friends of my daughter's. A girl who attended up to age 13, another friend of my daugther's but she was big-boned as a child. Tho' not overweight still.

Her dad is big-boned but not fat. I wouldn't call the mother slim, but she is still not overweight either. Both are practicing chiropractic physicians and also market a health protein shake. Mother is the healthy eater—and the father likes his junk food from what I hear. He enjoys dining in fine gourmet restaurants too.

As the daughter got older, she put on quite a bit of weight. Recently at age 18 reduced but has a way to go. But her house, due to the mother, eats healthy. They don't even eat dairy or drink coffee — at least the Mom. Dad loves pizza and fine dining again.

Hers does seem to be genetic to a degree but not all of it. She inherited her dad's body build being big-boned. Dad isn't what I describe as fat or obese though. Just a big-boned chunky guy. Maybe, there's someone in the family tree who is fat?

The other a boy was big as a child--big boned. Inherited the dad's build which is similar but the mom was overweight—not excessively so though. She still had shape. He attended all the way through the school too.


The thrid had anItalian father from Italy and a Jewish-American mother—both large and big boned with a child like that. She still looks the same.
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Old 07-06-2014, 11:04 AM   #30
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