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Old 07-02-2014, 03:10 PM  
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Feds sue Wisc business for English requirement

Disgusting. I know that we don't have an "official language" but it's understood as such.

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Federal Gov’t Sues Wisconsin Company, Says English-Language Requirement is 'Discrimination'
July 2, 2014 - 3:05 PM
By Brittany M. Hughes


Federal Gov’t Sues Wisconsin Company Over ‘Discriminating’ English-Language Requirement
(CNSNews.com) -- The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), a federal agency tasked with enforcing workplace discrimination laws, is suing a private American business for firing a group of Hispanic and Asian employees over their inability to speak English at work, claiming that the English-language requirement in a U.S. business constitutes “discrimination.”

Judicial Watch reported Tuesday that the government is accusing Wisconsin Plastics, Inc. of violating Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination based on “national origin.” The government argues this includes the “linguistic characteristics of a national origin group.”

Irene Garcia, the blog editor and Spanish media liaison for Judicial Watch, called the EEOC’s accusation “ludicrous.”

“That’s ludicrous and an overreaching of government,” Garcia told CNSNews.com. “If you are a private company in the United States, you should be able to require your employees to speak English.”

According to a news release from the EEOC, Chicago Regional Attorney John C. Hendrickson said the Green Bay-based company’s English requirement is based on “superficial” reasoning.

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"Our experience at the EEOC has been that so-called 'English only' rules and requirements of English fluency are often employed to make what is really discrimination appear acceptable. But superficial appearances are not fooling anyone,” Hendrickson said in the release. “When speaking English fluently is not, in fact, required for the safe and effective performance of a job, nor for the successful operation of the employer’s business, requiring employees to be fluent in English usually constitutes employment discrimination on the basis of national origin — and thus violates federal law.”

But Garcia said the ability to speak English is necessary for employees of Wisconsin Plastics, Inc., but that the employees in question “were not able to speak English at any kind of level that would be considered proficient.”

“In this case some English is necessary to communicate with supervisors and stuff like that, and the EEOC just went after this private company because some employees were being marked down for not having English skills. So that doesn’t really make sense,” she said.

Federal Gov’t Sues Wisconsin Company Over ‘Discriminating’ English-Language Requirement
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Garcia added that the lawsuit, filed on June 9, is just the latest in a slew of attempts by the EEOC and the Obama administration to go after American businesses for so-called “discrimination.” She cited numerous cases in which the EEOC has accused businesses of discriminating by requiring workers to speak English, running background and criminal checks, and enforcing company-wide restrictions on head coverings, including those worn by some Muslim women.

“We’ve seen some decisions that are kind of radical that we haven’t seen in the past, under Republican or Democrat administrations,” she said, claiming the EEOC under the Obama administration is “on a roll.”

Many lawsuits brought by the EEOC subjectively twist the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include things it was never meant to cover, Garcia added.

“We’re seeing a lot of these kinds of law suits using his civil rights law to sue on behalf of all these different causes that I believe violate the spirit of the law,” Garcia explained.

“In terms of religious and language rights under the Civil Rights Act, that’s what the administration is using to offer and extend protects when really and truly there’s no place for them [in the law],” she said.
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Old 07-02-2014, 06:02 PM   #16
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I'd like to think the EEOC had other compelling evidence that the english-only statements were phony and that there was something damning. But they didn't put that in their release, so it looks like a bad idea.
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Old 07-02-2014, 06:08 PM   #17
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Old 07-02-2014, 07:56 PM   #18
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Old 07-02-2014, 09:08 PM   #19
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Old 07-02-2014, 09:45 PM   #20
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:08 PM   #22
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They fired them... Which means they hired them.

Since it's unlikely that they forgot english while working there, the reasoning DOES sound like bullshit they pulled out of their asses to justify it.
That argument doesn't make any sense to me. If they wanted to discriminate on the basis of national origin, why would they have hired them first and then try to fire them?

It's ridiculous to equate language ability with national origin. There are practical, color-blind (national-origin-blind) reasons for requiring proficiency in a communication skill.
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:41 AM   #23
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You can "discriminate" if the factor is a bona fide occupational qualification, can't you? I would think that the ability to communicate with other employees completely and accurately would be important to safety in an environment like a factory where you have people working with chemicals and operating machinery.

It's not illegal to hire someone and then decide that it wasn't working out.
I'm not arguing it's illegal.

I'm arguing that it's a bullshit reason he pulled out of his ass, or else he wouldn't have hired a bunch of foreign speaking people to begin with.

I'm not sure he's a criminal... but I'm pretty sure he's a liar.
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:44 AM   #24
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That argument doesn't make any sense to me. If they wanted to discriminate on the basis of national origin, why would they have hired them first and then try to fire them?

It's ridiculous to equate language ability with national origin. There are practical, color-blind (national-origin-blind) reasons for requiring proficiency in a communication skill.
I don't disagree. I'd say it's pretty goddamn ****ing stupid to hire a collective group of people who speak 3 different languages with little or apparently no cross over in those 3.

I hope whoever hired them was fired too if this was genuine.

I'm not making an assertion of any kind why they were fired, I'm simply saying the reasoning given doesn't make sense given this was an easily foreseeable problem. Doesn't pass the smell test imo.

I don't have enough info from this to, or try to, make any assertion outside of 'that sounds like a lie'.
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I don't disagree. I'd say it's pretty goddamn ****ing stupid to hire a collective group of people who speak 3 different languages with little or apparently no cross over in those 3.

I hope whoever hired them was fired too if this was genuine.

I'm not making an assertion of any kind why they were fired, I'm simply saying the reasoning given doesn't make sense given this was an easily foreseeable problem. Doesn't pass the smell test imo.

I don't have enough info from this to, or try to, make any assertion outside of 'that sounds like a lie'.
OK, that's fair.

IMO, it's a lot more likely that they hired a bunch of people with limited English language skills thinking that it would be alright but finding out that it created more problems than expected than it is that they hired a bunch of foreigners and then decided to fire them just because they were foreign.
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I'm not arguing it's illegal.

I'm arguing that it's a bullshit reason he pulled out of his ass, or else he wouldn't have hired a bunch of foreign speaking people to begin with.

I'm not sure he's a criminal... but I'm pretty sure he's a liar.
Maybe they hired a lot of these people, and then the no-English-whatsoever situation caused all kinds of problems over and above what they ever expected, which could have included safety, liability, etc problems, and the situation was untenable. It's not hard to believe at all.
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I assume the fired employees in question are legal? If not, the government is now suing American businessess for firing illegal aliens?

Funny how this article glossed over that extremly relevant point.
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You can "discriminate" if the factor is a bona fide occupational qualification, can't you?
This is the problem with the word "discrimination" it gets used as a over-generalized wrong and even as a epithet. Not all "discrimination" is wrong...it's necessary to make decisions, to improve and to survive. We do it everyday on many things even involving choices about other people.

According to an employment attorney on another board, it's supposed to be discrimination based on animus toward a group that is illegal and/or wrong.

That rules out job qualifications. Now it may be that a group doesn't have the skill set or qualifications but that's not the fault of any employer. That's the fault of the people seeking the job.
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I'd like to think the EEOC had other compelling evidence that the english-only statements were phony and that there was something damning. But they didn't put that in their release, so it looks like a bad idea.
I'd like to think that too, but their history and this administration's politicization of other executive agencies keeps me from giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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