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Old 07-08-2014, 03:55 AM  
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Obama ditching Hillary for ‘Mini-Me’ Elizabeth Warren

This would send Hillary over the edge folks.


Obama ditching Hillary for ‘Mini-Me’ Elizabeth Warren

President Obama is going to renege on his campaign promise to Bill Clinton and press for Sen. Elizabeth Warren — not Hillary Rodham Clinton — to be the Democratic candidate for the White House in 2016, said “Blood Feud” author Edward Klein.

Writing in the New York Post, Mr. Klein said: “Publicly, Obama has remained noncommittal on the 2016 race, but privately he worries that Clinton would undo and undermine many of his policies. There’s also a personal animosity, especially with Bill Clinton, that dates from their tough race six years ago.

“Obama has authorized his chief political adviser, Valerie Jarrett, to conduct a full-court press to convince Warren to throw her hat into the ring,” Mr. Klein wrote. “In the past several weeks, Jarrett has held a series of secret meetings with Warren. During these meetings, Jarrett has explained to Warren that Obama is worried that if Hillary succeeds him in the White House, she will undo many of his policies.”

Mr. Klein said similarly on “Fox & Friends” Monday morning, calling Mrs. Warren a big draw for the progressive-minded who have cheered many of Mr. Obama’s policies.

Mr. Klein also said that Mr. Obama considers Ms. Warren a true supporter who would carry on his legacy in the executive office.

Ms. Warren has said that she has no plans to run for the White House, but hasn’t completely shut the door on the option, Fox News reported.

Mr. Clinton, Mr. Klein writes, has privately feared an Obama renege, telling his closest friends that the president is “looking around for a candidate who’s just like him. Someone relatively unknown. Someone with a fresh face. He wants to clone himself — to find his Mini-Me.”
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Old 07-09-2014, 07:20 AM   #31
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I hope they nominate Warren. A Republican might actually win then.
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Old 07-09-2014, 07:50 AM   #32
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Because she's a voice for all the downtrodden. But of course, the economy is doing well right? Which side have you finally decided to take on this issue of the middle class?
ITT invent narratives.

I like Warren because she's one of the few legislators who is willing to call bullshit on the finance industry when they promote/do bullshit.

But continue on with your lack of understanding of anything other than a gop released talking point. It really demonstrates how smart you are.
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Old 07-09-2014, 07:55 AM   #33
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No he is actually correct. Go back to the campaign, Hillary's proposal was left of Obama's. Obama's proposal was what they basically did in Congress. If Hillary was POTUS we probably would have single payer today.
No, he's not correct. Obama has made it clear that his preference/goal is single payer. But politics trump desire if you want to get elected and if you want to get something done.
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Old 07-09-2014, 08:36 AM   #34
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No, he's not correct. Obama has made it clear that his preference/goal is single payer. But politics trump desire if you want to get elected and if you want to get something done.
He said he would prefer single payer if he was starting from scratch. Your making the assumption that Congress would have come up with Obamacare on their own even if Obama wanted single payer. Regardless if it was Obama or Hillary as POTUS they were going to do what the POTUS wanted.
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:12 AM   #35
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He said he would prefer single payer if he was starting from scratch. Your making the assumption that Congress would have come up with Obamacare on their own even if Obama wanted single payer. Regardless if it was Obama or Hillary as POTUS they were going to do what the POTUS wanted.
No, I'm making an assumption that if he thought he could get what he preferred, he would have done it. Re-read Dave Null's post about "if he was as far left as you think he is...." He's definitely as far left as we think he is, he's just politically pragmatic if not necessarily always astute.
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:37 AM   #36
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Why?
Because she's ignorant, especially on student loans. And she's crazy.
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:52 AM   #37
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Because she's ignorant, especially on student loans. And she's crazy.
What is wrong with her position on student loans?
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:57 AM   #38
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What is wrong with her position on student loans?
First off she contends that students are getting taken advantage of on the whole via rates, which is bullshit. She frequently mis-represents who is loaning the money now, it's the Federal Government. Private banks no longer do student loans.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:00 AM   #39
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First off she contends that students are getting taken advantage of on the whole via rates, which is bullshit. She frequently mis-represents who is loaning the money now, it's the Federal Government. Private banks no longer do student loans.
Could you distort her position more?

She thinks that it is bad policy for the government to charge interest (profit) from student loans.

I disagree with her on this but what you're saying isn't even close to accurate.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:02 AM   #40
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No, I'm making an assumption that if he thought he could get what he preferred, he would have done it. Re-read Dave Null's post about "if he was as far left as you think he is...." He's definitely as far left as we think he is, he's just politically pragmatic if not necessarily always astute.
Dave is right and Obama didn't prefer it. He even mocked Hillary for her plan IIRC.
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Apparently everyone forgot that Obama and the Dems tried for single payer. The dropped it when the CBO delivered a report that projected that premiums for a public option would be higher than premiums for private insurance. After that, Democrats went scampering from single payer and adopted Mitt Romney's plan. Nobody wanted single payer after that because it was politically in-viable.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:05 AM   #42
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First off she contends that students are getting taken advantage of on the whole via rates, which is bullshit. She frequently mis-represents who is loaning the money now, it's the Federal Government. Private banks no longer do student loans.
1. She wanted them around 4 percent according to her bill proposal. Why is that BS?

Mine sits at 2.6% because I consolidated at the rock bottom. But I always thought it was weird that some Student Loans could have variable rates. With Banks still able to borrow from the Fed at 0%, and interest rates on homes at all time lows, is it that crazy? It always seemed to me that the Perkins Loans with the flat 5% made more sense to students than the variable Stafford ones.

2.Not sure what you mean by "private banks no longer do student loans".

Here is the largest, Sallie Mae and the site where you can sign up today if so desired:

https://www.salliemae.com/landing/so...rchild&defurl=

(please no one actually sign up, as they are notoriously difficult to work with after the loan goes into repayment).
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:06 AM   #43
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Apparently everyone forgot that Obama and the Dems tried for single payer. The dropped it when the CBO delivered a report that projected that premiums for a public option would be higher than premiums for private insurance. After that, Democrats went scampering from single payer and adopted Mitt Romney's plan. Nobody wanted single payer after that because it was politically in-viable.
I know you supported Obama and probably conveniently forgot that but his plan was never single payer. It is basically what we got now. There was a movement to attach a public option to Obamacare but that failed.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:08 AM   #44
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I know you supported Obama and probably conveniently forgot that but his plan was never single payer. It is basically what we got now
My memory is that his plan included a public option and Hillary's didn't, which is one reason I supported him over her (and a reason I did not support him the next time around).
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2.Not sure what you mean by "private banks no longer do student loans".

Here is the largest, Sallie Mae and the site where you can sign up today if so desired:

https://www.salliemae.com/landing/so...rchild&defurl=

(please no one actually sign up, as they are notoriously difficult to work with after the loan goes into repayment).
The Government originates all student loans (Federally backed loans) and private banks service them.

There are still private loans out there.
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