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Old 07-10-2014, 06:18 PM  
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Science 2.0: Atheists Might Not Exist

Dave Lane's head just exploded:

Cognitive scientists are becoming increasingly aware that a metaphysical outlook may be so deeply ingrained in human thought processes that it cannot be expunged.

While this idea may seem outlandish—after all, it seems easy to decide not to believe in God—evidence from several disciplines indicates that what you actually believe is not a decision you make for yourself. Your fundamental beliefs are decided by much deeper levels of consciousness, and some may well be more or less set in stone.

This line of thought has led to some scientists claiming that “atheism is psychologically impossible because of the way humans think,” says Graham Lawton, an avowed atheist himself, writing in the New Scientist. “They point to studies showing, for example, that even people who claim to be committed atheists tacitly hold religious beliefs, such as the existence of an immortal soul.”

In the United States, 38% of people who identified themselves as atheist or agnostic went on to claim to believe in a God or a Higher Power (Pew Forum, “Religion and the Unaffiliated”, 2012).

In the US, only 20 per cent of people have no religious affiliation, but of these, only one in ten say they are atheists.

http://www.science20.com/writer_on_t..._a_joke-139982
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Old 07-10-2014, 08:57 PM   #16
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Until I can hand any atheist a bucket of dirt and tell them to make it into a dog, cow, brilliant Chief WR they will be considered flat earth humans to me.
One of the more bizarre posts I've seen in a while...
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Old 07-10-2014, 09:12 PM   #17
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I don't know why the article would make any atheist mad, they point out numerous statistics. If 20% of Americans claim "no religion" and only 10% of them are committed atheists, that's 2% of the public. Why be mad at facts?
It would only be 1.8% if Dave wasn't around.
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Old 07-10-2014, 09:37 PM   #18
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Wasn't it like 2000 hardcore atheists Lane has created in his lifetime? Something like that.



Who says Lane has no sense of humor?
The numbers do actually work: the rate was 1.8%, until Dave Lane went on his de-conversion missionary trip across the country and reverse John-The-Baptist'd like 2.8 million Americans.
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Old 07-10-2014, 10:39 PM   #19
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Dave Lane's head just exploded:

Cognitive scientists are becoming increasingly aware that a metaphysical outlook may be so deeply ingrained in human thought processes that it cannot be expunged.

While this idea may seem outlandish—after all, it seems easy to decide not to believe in God—evidence from several disciplines indicates that what you actually believe is not a decision you make for yourself. Your fundamental beliefs are decided by much deeper levels of consciousness, and some may well be more or less set in stone.

This line of thought has led to some scientists claiming that “atheism is psychologically impossible because of the way humans think,” says Graham Lawton, an avowed atheist himself, writing in the New Scientist. “They point to studies showing, for example, that even people who claim to be committed atheists tacitly hold religious beliefs, such as the existence of an immortal soul.”

In the United States, 38% of people who identified themselves as atheist or agnostic went on to claim to believe in a God or a Higher Power (Pew Forum, “Religion and the Unaffiliated”, 2012).

In the US, only 20 per cent of people have no religious affiliation, but of these, only one in ten say they are atheists.

http://www.science20.com/writer_on_t..._a_joke-139982
Um, I have a question. (Raises hand.)

Let's assume that the theory is true, and that atheism is psychologically impossible because of the way humans think.

How does that prove the existence of a deity?
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Old 07-10-2014, 10:48 PM   #20
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Until I can hand any atheist a bucket of dirt and tell them to make it into a dog, cow, brilliant Chief WR they will be considered flat earth humans to me.
So you're saying that your belief system requires proof?
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Old 07-10-2014, 11:17 PM   #21
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Um, I have a question. (Raises hand.)

Let's assume that the theory is true, and that atheism is psychologically impossible because of the way humans think.

How does that prove the existence of a deity?
It doesn't prove the existence of God at all. However, I can't remember one of us here who has ever given a good goddamn about offering proof. I guess I should only speak for myself, but it's always been a faith thing. It ain't about proof, and it ain't about belief.
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Old 07-10-2014, 11:34 PM   #22
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It doesn't prove the existence of God at all. However, I can't remember one of us here who has ever given a good goddamn about offering proof. I guess I should only speak for myself, but it's always been a faith thing. It ain't about proof, and it ain't about belief.
Please explain the difference between faith and belief.
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Old 07-10-2014, 11:49 PM   #23
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Please explain the difference between faith and belief.
For me, there's a certainty in faith that is present in lesser amounts (and sometimes absent altogether) in belief. Though people of faith sometimes categorize people as "believers" or "non-believers," that's kind of a shorthand, IMHO. It's sloppy, but I use it myself.
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Old 07-11-2014, 12:14 AM   #24
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I guess I just don't get the point of this thread. It's really just a restatement of the old argument from incredulity fallacy, yet PB and Taco John seem to think it will result in some sort of "gotcha!" moment for Dave Lane.
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I guess I just don't get the point of this thread. It's really just a restatement of the old argument from incredulity fallacy, yet PB and Taco John seem to think it will result in some sort of "gotcha!" moment for Dave Lane.
I can see how someone might believe that.
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Old 07-11-2014, 01:08 AM   #26
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Old 07-11-2014, 01:13 AM   #27
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Superior aliens haven't been smart enough to actually come visit us. Also, why would technology scare people of old times? A car or airplane wouldn't really address the questions of what happens after you die, and it doesn't address basic rules for interpersonal conduct (which is why the 10 Commandments et al are still taught today).
The 10 commandants are proof of gods non-existence. A two year old could compile a better list in 15 seconds.
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Until I can hand any atheist a bucket of dirt and tell them to make it into a dog, cow, brilliant Chief WR they will be considered flat earth humans to me.
WTF?
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Old 07-11-2014, 07:52 AM   #29
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I guess I just don't get the point of this thread.
That's not surprising at all.


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It's really just a restatement of the old argument from incredulity fallacy, yet PB and Taco John seem to think it will result in some sort of "gotcha!" moment for Dave Lane.
It absolutely is a "gotcha" moment for that dude. He thinks the country believes as he does, but the reality is nearly nobody does. True atheism is something that's extremely rare in the populace no matter how much blustering he does. And his de-conversions claim is so spectacularly dumb, of course we'll make fun of him for it.
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Superior aliens haven't been smart enough to actually come visit us. Also, why would technology scare people of old times? A car or airplane wouldn't really address the questions of what happens after you die, and it doesn't address basic rules for interpersonal conduct (which is why the 10 Commandments et al are still taught today).
I think people look at this kinda stuff the wrong way. I mean, aren't God and his messengers the angels, pretty much by definition, alien to us?

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Until I can hand any atheist a bucket of dirt and tell them to make it into a dog, cow, brilliant Chief WR they will be considered flat earth humans to me.
Everyone seems to be asking wtf about this post, but I get it what he's saying. Until you can turn non-life into life, or at least explain how it happened spontaneously, you have a pretty big hole in your "no creator" theory.
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