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Old 07-12-2014, 04:11 PM  
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Perry: Paul 'isolationist policies' are 'curiously blind,' 'wrong'

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(CNN) – "Curiously blind" and "wrong."

Is Rick Perry previewing harsh political attacks against Rand Paul should the two potential 2016 presidential candidates square off in a debate over foreign policy?

The Republican governor of Texas used those and other choice words against the Kentucky Republican senator in a Friday opinion piece that singularly trained political fire on Paul, by name, among Republicans.

Firing back, an adviser for Paul said Perry is "mischaracterizing Senator Paul's foreign policy."

At issue: Paul's ideological preference for the United States to avoid engaging in many hotspots across the world. Critics, such as Perry, liken it to outright isolationism.

"As a veteran, and as a governor who has supported Texas National Guard deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, I can understand the emotions behind isolationism. Many people are tired of war, and the urge to pull back is a natural, human reaction," Perry began his piece in the Washington Post. "Unfortunately, we live in a world where isolationist policies would only endanger our national security even further."

"That's why it's disheartening to hear fellow Republicans, such as Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.), suggest that our nation should ignore what's happening in Iraq."

A few weeks ago, during an interview with CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley, Paul said: "I'm not willing to send my son into that mess."

"Let's not be involved in the Iraq civil war," Paul said, referring to weeks of violence across that country. Radical Sunni militants have battled Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's Shiite government forces. The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, has not only gained ground in northern and western Iraq but also in Syria.

Perry took Paul's sentiments to task.

Noting "the main problem with this argument is that it means ignoring the profound threat that the group now calling itself the Islamic State poses to the United States and the world," the governor wrote. ". …This represents a real threat to our national security — to which Paul seems curiously blind — because any of these passport carriers can simply buy a plane ticket and show up in the United States without even a visa."

Perry then picked apart an opinion piece Paul recently wrote in the Wall Street Journal arguing against U.S. military intervention in Iraq.

Writing that Paul went "so far as to claim…that President Ronald Reagan's own doctrines would lead him to same conclusion," Perry said, "his analysis is wrong. Paul conveniently omitted Reagan's long internationalist record of leading the world with moral and strategic clarity."

And in perhaps one of his harshest critiques, Perry lumped Paul together with a favored political enemy of conservatives: President Barack Obama.

"Viewed together, Obama's policies have certainly led us to this dangerous point in Iraq and Syria, but Paul's brand of isolationism (or whatever term he prefers) would compound the threat of terrorism even further," Perry said.

Paul's team shot back at Perry's harsh criticism with stinging words of its own.

"60,000 children just invaded Texas, and their Governor has time to write an op ed in a Washington newspaper mischaracterizing Senator Paul's foreign policy," adviser Doug Stafford said in a statement to CNN, referring to the flood of unaccompanied children from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala surging into the United States along the southern border. "Perhaps he should concentrate on the invasion of his Southern border."

Perry and Paul each are considering a 2016 presidential run. It would be Perry's second run.
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Old 07-12-2014, 06:11 PM   #16
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Yes, and Bushed was briefed on an attack coming from AQ in August. Why didn't he do more to prevent it?

Or should we have committed a pre-emptive strike on Afghanistan before hand?
An attack on Afghanistan in August wouldn't have prevented 9/11.
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Old 07-12-2014, 06:18 PM   #17
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Came up with a campaign logo for he of the isolationist party:
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Old 07-12-2014, 06:36 PM   #18
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There is no isolationist party. It's a red herring based on creating a strawman of someone's position. That's also, not a logo either. It's an illustration and it's perfect for folks using a false label about those who advocate trade with the world instead of meddling in the internal conflicts militarily of other nations. Keep strawmanning NeoCons.

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Old 07-12-2014, 06:39 PM   #19
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Actually, an image of Xerxes would suffice.

Here's a picture for pesky war-like interventionists.
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Old 07-12-2014, 07:02 PM   #20
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That's an interesting statement. Was al Qaeda "a real threat to the US" on 9/10/2001?
Kind of a chicken or the egg argument you're starting.

Maybe some foresight... such as the CIA not training most of their leaders, could have prevented that...
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Old 07-12-2014, 07:05 PM   #21
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There is no isolationist party. It's a red herring based on creating a strawman of someone's position. That's also, not a logo either. It's an illustration and it's perfect for folks using a false label about those who advocate trade with the world instead of meddling in the internal conflicts militarily of other nations. Keep strawmanning NeoCons.

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Anti-imperialist = Isolationist.

To them the two are mutually exclusive and there are no other options. That's just how some people think.
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Old 07-12-2014, 07:24 PM   #22
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An attack on Afghanistan in August wouldn't have prevented 9/11.
Nor did 300+ bases so much for military intervention stuff.
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Old 07-12-2014, 07:25 PM   #23
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Ah, so you are now qualifying what you meant by "no real threat to the US" as "they weren't a threat to topple our government."
They could attack but were no real threat to take over anything or change our way of life. We did a just fine job of doing that ourselves. Al Qaeda was a mosquito, it could draw blood but not really hurt us.

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No. The Japanese Navy knew that it could not stop the US once we were in production mode. They could only buy time by knocking out the majority of our capital ships in the Pacific.

The plan was to sink the majority of the fleet at Pearl Harbor allowing the Japanese to swallow up more land in the Pacific, by the time that we had rearmed and were ready the Japanese navy was hoping that time had mollified the populaces anger down to a more manageable level and that they could sue for peace not giving up too much.

That didn't happen as our carriers were out of port during the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Germany was also not a threat to us.
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Old 07-12-2014, 07:30 PM   #24
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Kind of a chicken or the egg argument you're starting.

Maybe some foresight... such as the CIA not training most of their leaders, could have prevented that...
Not really. But I'm not sure what you are referring to, however.
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Nor did 300+ bases so much for military intervention stuff.
What are you talking about?
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They could attack but were no real threat to take over anything or change our way of life. We did a just fine job of doing that ourselves. Al Qaeda was a mosquito, it could draw blood but not really hurt us.
Like I said, that's fine.

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No. The Japanese Navy knew that it could not stop the US once we were in production mode. They could only buy time by knocking out the majority of our capital ships in the Pacific.

The plan was to sink the majority of the fleet at Pearl Harbor allowing the Japanese to swallow up more land in the Pacific, by the time that we had rearmed and were ready the Japanese navy was hoping that time had mollified the populaces anger down to a more manageable level and that they could sue for peace not giving up too much.

That didn't happen as our carriers were out of port during the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Germany was also not a threat to us.
So you are of the opinion that we should not have declared war on Japan?
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Like I said, that's fine.



So you are of the opinion that we should not have declared war on Japan?
Yes. We should have because they attacked us. Japan was a nation though quite different from a decentralized loosely affiliated cells of terrorists. There was a government that could capitulate and surrender ending hostilities. There is no such thing with Al-Qaeda because anybody can declare themselves Al-Qaeda.

We killed the mastermind behind Al-Qaeda and it hasn't stopped them one bit.
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Yes. We should have because they attacked us. Japan was a nation though quite different from a decentralized loosely affiliated cells of terrorists. There was a government that could capitulate and surrender ending hostilities. There is no such thing with Al-Qaeda because anybody can declare themselves Al-Qaeda.

We killed the mastermind behind Al-Qaeda and it hasn't stopped them one bit.
You seem to be conflicted. You acknowledge that Japan was not a threat to our government, yet you approve of going after them.

Does the fact that al Qaeda isn't a "nation" really change things? I don't believe it does.
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You seem to be conflicted. You acknowledge that Japan was not a threat to our government, yet you approve of going after them.

Does the fact that al Qaeda isn't a "nation" really change things? I don't believe it does.
I already said going after al-Qaeda, the cell that did it was good. Same thing with Japan.

The problem is that while we can make Japan the nation with an army and navy do such things as surrender we can't with al-Qaeda because anybody can call themselves al-Qaeda so if we declare war on al-Qaeda then we would be fighting pretty much an endless war since the name al-Qaeda now has cache to it.

You may be fine with that but you will be pretty much bankrupting the state to go chase mosquitoes all over the world.

Also getting involved in wars tends to be bad for civil liberties. WWII had the infamous Korematsu decision, which the federal government has yet to repudiate. This global war on terror has brought a whole host of civil liberty destroying legislation and court decisions.
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I already said going after al-Qaeda, the cell that did it was good. Same thing with Japan.

The problem is that while we can make Japan the nation with an army and navy do such things as surrender we can't with al-Qaeda because anybody can call themselves al-Qaeda so if we declare war on al-Qaeda then we would be fighting pretty much an endless war since the name al-Qaeda now has cache to it.

You may be fine with that but you will be pretty much bankrupting the state to go chase mosquitoes all over the world.

Also getting involved in wars tends to be bad for civil liberties. WWII had the infamous Korematsu decision, which the federal government has yet to repudiate. This global war on terror has brought a whole host of civil liberty destroying legislation and court decisions.
So you were/are fine with invasion of Afghanistan, yes?
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