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Old 07-12-2014, 04:11 PM  
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Perry: Paul 'isolationist policies' are 'curiously blind,' 'wrong'

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(CNN) – "Curiously blind" and "wrong."

Is Rick Perry previewing harsh political attacks against Rand Paul should the two potential 2016 presidential candidates square off in a debate over foreign policy?

The Republican governor of Texas used those and other choice words against the Kentucky Republican senator in a Friday opinion piece that singularly trained political fire on Paul, by name, among Republicans.

Firing back, an adviser for Paul said Perry is "mischaracterizing Senator Paul's foreign policy."

At issue: Paul's ideological preference for the United States to avoid engaging in many hotspots across the world. Critics, such as Perry, liken it to outright isolationism.

"As a veteran, and as a governor who has supported Texas National Guard deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, I can understand the emotions behind isolationism. Many people are tired of war, and the urge to pull back is a natural, human reaction," Perry began his piece in the Washington Post. "Unfortunately, we live in a world where isolationist policies would only endanger our national security even further."

"That's why it's disheartening to hear fellow Republicans, such as Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.), suggest that our nation should ignore what's happening in Iraq."

A few weeks ago, during an interview with CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley, Paul said: "I'm not willing to send my son into that mess."

"Let's not be involved in the Iraq civil war," Paul said, referring to weeks of violence across that country. Radical Sunni militants have battled Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's Shiite government forces. The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, has not only gained ground in northern and western Iraq but also in Syria.

Perry took Paul's sentiments to task.

Noting "the main problem with this argument is that it means ignoring the profound threat that the group now calling itself the Islamic State poses to the United States and the world," the governor wrote. ". …This represents a real threat to our national security — to which Paul seems curiously blind — because any of these passport carriers can simply buy a plane ticket and show up in the United States without even a visa."

Perry then picked apart an opinion piece Paul recently wrote in the Wall Street Journal arguing against U.S. military intervention in Iraq.

Writing that Paul went "so far as to claim…that President Ronald Reagan's own doctrines would lead him to same conclusion," Perry said, "his analysis is wrong. Paul conveniently omitted Reagan's long internationalist record of leading the world with moral and strategic clarity."

And in perhaps one of his harshest critiques, Perry lumped Paul together with a favored political enemy of conservatives: President Barack Obama.

"Viewed together, Obama's policies have certainly led us to this dangerous point in Iraq and Syria, but Paul's brand of isolationism (or whatever term he prefers) would compound the threat of terrorism even further," Perry said.

Paul's team shot back at Perry's harsh criticism with stinging words of its own.

"60,000 children just invaded Texas, and their Governor has time to write an op ed in a Washington newspaper mischaracterizing Senator Paul's foreign policy," adviser Doug Stafford said in a statement to CNN, referring to the flood of unaccompanied children from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala surging into the United States along the southern border. "Perhaps he should concentrate on the invasion of his Southern border."

Perry and Paul each are considering a 2016 presidential run. It would be Perry's second run.
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Old 07-12-2014, 07:56 PM   #31
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So you were/are fine with invasion of Afghanistan, yes?
I was fine with destroying the cell that plotted and executed the attack yes. Nation building was/ is a folly and a money pit. The strategy should of been arrive, kill/capture those responsible, and leave.
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Old 07-12-2014, 08:12 PM   #32
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I was fine with destroying the cell that plotted and executed the attack yes. Nation building was/ is a folly and a money pit. The strategy should of been arrive, kill/capture those responsible, and leave.
So you weren't/are'nt fine with invasion of Afghanistan?
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Old 07-12-2014, 08:51 PM   #33
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Iraq isn't just a 'civil war'; it is more akin to the Nazis. For example, these people are brutally killing Christians as the Nazis killed Jews. Right or wrong, we set them up in their current state. If they ask for our help, we should give it (and a bonus to wipe out a few terrorist while at it).
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:08 PM   #34
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If they had had specifics, I'm sure they would have. We knew that Japan was going to attack us somewhere in the Pacific late in 1941, but Pearl Harbor and the Philippines still happened.

I don't blame FDR for those any more than I do Bush for 9/11.
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:35 PM   #35
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Not really. But I'm not sure what you are referring to, however.
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:36 PM   #36
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Iraq isn't just a 'civil war'; it is more akin to the Nazis. For example, these people are brutally killing Christians as the Nazis killed Jews. Right or wrong, we set them up in their current state. If they ask for our help, we should give it (and a bonus to wipe out a few terrorist while at it).
To my knowledge Christians were persecuted under the new installation govt in Iraq too. Many fled. Christians were treated that badly under secular govts in Arab nations like Iraq or even in Syria. In fact, Saddam had a Roman Catholic in his govt.
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:41 PM   #37
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Like I said, that's fine.



So you are of the opinion that we should not have declared war on Japan?
Why do you NeoCons always deflect this war intervention stuff by comparing things to Japan. We're always back in WWII, because it was the "good war." It's not comparable because AQ did not have a nation to command with a vast war machine. Furthermore, it's more of a get the 'eff out of our lands blowback attack than anything. You should read BL's fatwah. He said why he declared war on us back in the 90's.

AQ is actually winning because of how the WoT is being conducted. His act was designed to inflame the Muslim world.

What some are referring to in this thread, is our leaving bases on Saudi Arabian Holy Lands and others all built during the 90's after PGW1, which was the thing that broke the camels back for Bin Laden. Are you really this misinformed?

How would you like foreign bases built here?
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Old 07-12-2014, 10:12 PM   #38
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Why do you NeoCons always deflect this war intervention stuff by comparing things to Japan. We're always back in WWII, because it was the "good war." It's not comparable because AQ did not have a nation to command with a vast war machine. Furthermore, it's more of a get the 'eff out of our lands blowback attack than anything. You should read BL's fatwah. He said why he declared war on us back in the 90's.

AQ is actually winning because of how the WoT is being conducted. His act was designed to inflame the Muslim world.

What some are referring to in this thread, is our leaving bases on Saudi Arabian Holy Lands and others all built during the 90's after PDW I which was the thing that broke the camels back for Bin Laden. Are you really this misinformed?

How would you like foreign bases built here?
if it brought a lot of $$ to the economy i'd be happy to sell them the land...
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Old 07-13-2014, 12:32 AM   #39
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I hope Perry keeps opening his mouth and advocating this position. I hope he tries to take Paul with it during the debates.

I hope Perry just talks, and talks, and talks...
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I suppose that he is referring to the allegations that CIA trained Osama bin Laden and other men who later formed al Qaeda. If that is the case, it isn't accurate at all.

It makes good fodder for the isolationists, though.
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Why do you NeoCons always deflect this war intervention stuff by comparing things to Japan. We're always back in WWII, because it was the "good war." It's not comparable because AQ did not have a nation to command with a vast war machine. Furthermore, it's more of a get the 'eff out of our lands blowback attack than anything. You should read BL's fatwah. He said why he declared war on us back in the 90's.

AQ is actually winning because of how the WoT is being conducted. His act was designed to inflame the Muslim world.

What some are referring to in this thread, is our leaving bases on Saudi Arabian Holy Lands and others all built during the 90's after PGW1, which was the thing that broke the camels back for Bin Laden. Are you really this misinformed?

How would you like foreign bases built here?
The only reason that I mentioned Japan was because after he narrowed his definition, it was obvious. Japan didn't have the ability to topple government, but he was fine with declaring war on and fighting them.

Yes, I'm aware of bin Laden's reasons for hating us. I'm alos aware that Saudi Arabia welcomed us having bases on their soil.
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If we hadn't followed a Rand Paulian foreign policy in Iraq over these past 5 years (i.e. withdraw and hope for rainbows and sunshine), we could have avoided the conundrum of poor choices we face there now.
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Perry is letting his state get invaded with illegals whos the one soft on defense again?
State governors have practically no authority to do anything about it. The Federal government under Barack Obama has taken a firm stance against independent state action in the area of immigration (and, unfortunately, they have the law on their side for a change).
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Kind of a chicken or the egg argument you're starting.

Maybe some foresight... such as the CIA not training most of their leaders, could have prevented that...
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If we hadn't followed a Rand Paulian foreign policy in Iraq over these past 5 years (i.e. withdraw and hope for rainbows and sunshine), we could have avoided the conundrum of poor choices we face there now.
And if we had followed it in 2003 we would not be facing the problems we are now, saved a ton of money, and most importantly not have wasted the health and lives of our citizens fighting a war of choice for no strategic purpose or national interest.

Now we are just throwing in good money after bad and look to be on the course of wasting more lives.
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