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Old 07-12-2014, 05:11 PM  
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Perry: Paul 'isolationist policies' are 'curiously blind,' 'wrong'

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(CNN) – "Curiously blind" and "wrong."

Is Rick Perry previewing harsh political attacks against Rand Paul should the two potential 2016 presidential candidates square off in a debate over foreign policy?

The Republican governor of Texas used those and other choice words against the Kentucky Republican senator in a Friday opinion piece that singularly trained political fire on Paul, by name, among Republicans.

Firing back, an adviser for Paul said Perry is "mischaracterizing Senator Paul's foreign policy."

At issue: Paul's ideological preference for the United States to avoid engaging in many hotspots across the world. Critics, such as Perry, liken it to outright isolationism.

"As a veteran, and as a governor who has supported Texas National Guard deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, I can understand the emotions behind isolationism. Many people are tired of war, and the urge to pull back is a natural, human reaction," Perry began his piece in the Washington Post. "Unfortunately, we live in a world where isolationist policies would only endanger our national security even further."

"That's why it's disheartening to hear fellow Republicans, such as Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.), suggest that our nation should ignore what's happening in Iraq."

A few weeks ago, during an interview with CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley, Paul said: "I'm not willing to send my son into that mess."

"Let's not be involved in the Iraq civil war," Paul said, referring to weeks of violence across that country. Radical Sunni militants have battled Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's Shiite government forces. The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, has not only gained ground in northern and western Iraq but also in Syria.

Perry took Paul's sentiments to task.

Noting "the main problem with this argument is that it means ignoring the profound threat that the group now calling itself the Islamic State poses to the United States and the world," the governor wrote. ". …This represents a real threat to our national security — to which Paul seems curiously blind — because any of these passport carriers can simply buy a plane ticket and show up in the United States without even a visa."

Perry then picked apart an opinion piece Paul recently wrote in the Wall Street Journal arguing against U.S. military intervention in Iraq.

Writing that Paul went "so far as to claim…that President Ronald Reagan's own doctrines would lead him to same conclusion," Perry said, "his analysis is wrong. Paul conveniently omitted Reagan's long internationalist record of leading the world with moral and strategic clarity."

And in perhaps one of his harshest critiques, Perry lumped Paul together with a favored political enemy of conservatives: President Barack Obama.

"Viewed together, Obama's policies have certainly led us to this dangerous point in Iraq and Syria, but Paul's brand of isolationism (or whatever term he prefers) would compound the threat of terrorism even further," Perry said.

Paul's team shot back at Perry's harsh criticism with stinging words of its own.

"60,000 children just invaded Texas, and their Governor has time to write an op ed in a Washington newspaper mischaracterizing Senator Paul's foreign policy," adviser Doug Stafford said in a statement to CNN, referring to the flood of unaccompanied children from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala surging into the United States along the southern border. "Perhaps he should concentrate on the invasion of his Southern border."

Perry and Paul each are considering a 2016 presidential run. It would be Perry's second run.
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Old 07-14-2014, 09:13 AM   #76
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Old 07-14-2014, 09:15 AM   #77
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That's a good point. I think the only difference between Obama and Ron Paul if he had won the 2008 election (snicker) would probably have been that under Paul, Iraq would have collapsed into ISIS even sooner.

Paul would have left immediately, Obama at least waited until he needed his "mission accomplished" moment in the face of a midterm election where he was polling terribly
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Old 07-14-2014, 09:27 AM   #78
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You need a tinfoil hat. Or maybe just a little better history education.
The CIA told us that Al-Qaeda attacked us because of our presence in the middle east. Look up Michael Scheuer sometime. The idea that they attacked us because we're a free nation is wrong.
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Old 07-14-2014, 09:43 AM   #79
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The CIA told us that Al-Qaeda attacked us because of our presence in the middle east. Look up Michael Scheuer sometime. The idea that they attacked us because we're a free nation is wrong.
WTF are you talking about? That has absolutely nothing to do with my post. BTW, I'm well aware of Scheuer and why they attacked us.
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Old 07-14-2014, 09:46 AM   #80
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The CIA told us that Al-Qaeda attacked us because of our presence in the middle east. Look up Michael Scheuer sometime. The idea that they attacked us because we're a free nation is wrong.
1. Who is saying that?

2. Why does it matter why they attacked us? Attack is attack. Japan could have bombed Pearl Harbor because tastes great/less filling and we still mobilize and kick their ass.
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Old 07-14-2014, 09:49 AM   #81
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I suppose we should have just let Saddam roll into the Kingdom in 1990?
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Old 07-14-2014, 09:51 AM   #82
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One thing the people who comfort themselves by believing that "they didn't attack us because of our freedoms" don't understand is that if we were a good Muslim nation (defined by the radical Islamist in question, of course), our dealings in that region wouldn't be a problem.

Another thing the isolationists should understand is that it's not going to be enough to withdraw our troops from Islamic lands. The radical islamists want our oil companies, our consultants, our businessmen, our friendly relationships with their existing governments and every other aspect of our culture out too.
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Old 07-14-2014, 09:58 AM   #83
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The radical islamists want our oil companies, our consultants out too.
Don't have a problem with these two. The others can be negotiated.
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Old 07-14-2014, 10:01 AM   #84
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Don't have a problem with these two. The others can be negotiated.
No, they're not negotiable. This is religious zeal, it's not about money.

And what do you have against our oil companies and our consultants (aka our service industry)?
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Old 07-14-2014, 10:06 AM   #85
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Paul is a foreign policy baboon. There are times and places that intervention should be needed but I haven't seen a reason to put boots on the ground to help anyone since the Korean War.
So he is a foreign policy baboon but you agree with him? LOL
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Old 07-14-2014, 10:16 AM   #86
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No, they're not negotiable. This is religious zeal, it's not about money.

And what do you have against our oil companies and our consultants (aka our service industry)?
We can blame it on their religion for creating the bad guys but we have been killing people over there for over 10 years and I don't see why any person in that region would trust us as a "friend".

I know you believe the President and VP for the reasons they said we went to war in Iraq. I do not at all however and think it was started mostly for private interests, specifically the oil industry. I think the people in that region believe that as well and it would benefit our people as a whole if they left.
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We can blame it on their religion for creating the bad guys but we have been killing people over there for over 10 years and I don't see why any person in that region would trust us as a "friend".
We hadn't been "killing people over there" for 10 years on 9/11. And 9/11 was far from the first time the radical islamists attacked us.

After the last 4+ years of abandonment and betrayal, I'm not sure why our traditional allies would see us as friends either, but that's all beside the point of why radical islamists attacked us in the first place.

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I know you believe the President and VP for the reasons they said we went to war in Iraq. I do not at all however and think it was started mostly for private interests, specifically the oil industry. I think the people in that region believe that as well and it would benefit our people as a whole if they left.
Ok, I'm not going to bother to try to disabuse you of your wild conspiracy theories.
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Old 07-14-2014, 01:18 PM   #88
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The radical islamists want our oil companies, our consultants, our businessmen, our friendly relationships with their existing governments and every other aspect of our culture out too.
Fine with me. If they want to roll themselves back into the stone age, it's their land and their resources - their prerogative. We have more than enough oil production to capitalize on their stupidity.
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I suppose we should have just let Saddam roll into the Kingdom in 1990?
Another war based on a pack of lies. Bus Sr gave him the green light. Use the search here and look up the excellent debates on that one.
In particular Adept Havelock.
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Fine with me. If they want to roll themselves back into the stone age, it's their land and their resources - their prerogative. We have more than enough oil production to capitalize on their stupidity.
Do you think Rand Paul would favor a comprehensive disengagement from the region like this? Because BEP and some of the others keep telling me that what I call "isolationism" is really just about withdrawing our military from those types of places.
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