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Old 07-12-2014, 04:11 PM  
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Perry: Paul 'isolationist policies' are 'curiously blind,' 'wrong'

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(CNN) – "Curiously blind" and "wrong."

Is Rick Perry previewing harsh political attacks against Rand Paul should the two potential 2016 presidential candidates square off in a debate over foreign policy?

The Republican governor of Texas used those and other choice words against the Kentucky Republican senator in a Friday opinion piece that singularly trained political fire on Paul, by name, among Republicans.

Firing back, an adviser for Paul said Perry is "mischaracterizing Senator Paul's foreign policy."

At issue: Paul's ideological preference for the United States to avoid engaging in many hotspots across the world. Critics, such as Perry, liken it to outright isolationism.

"As a veteran, and as a governor who has supported Texas National Guard deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, I can understand the emotions behind isolationism. Many people are tired of war, and the urge to pull back is a natural, human reaction," Perry began his piece in the Washington Post. "Unfortunately, we live in a world where isolationist policies would only endanger our national security even further."

"That's why it's disheartening to hear fellow Republicans, such as Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.), suggest that our nation should ignore what's happening in Iraq."

A few weeks ago, during an interview with CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley, Paul said: "I'm not willing to send my son into that mess."

"Let's not be involved in the Iraq civil war," Paul said, referring to weeks of violence across that country. Radical Sunni militants have battled Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's Shiite government forces. The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, has not only gained ground in northern and western Iraq but also in Syria.

Perry took Paul's sentiments to task.

Noting "the main problem with this argument is that it means ignoring the profound threat that the group now calling itself the Islamic State poses to the United States and the world," the governor wrote. ". …This represents a real threat to our national security — to which Paul seems curiously blind — because any of these passport carriers can simply buy a plane ticket and show up in the United States without even a visa."

Perry then picked apart an opinion piece Paul recently wrote in the Wall Street Journal arguing against U.S. military intervention in Iraq.

Writing that Paul went "so far as to claim…that President Ronald Reagan's own doctrines would lead him to same conclusion," Perry said, "his analysis is wrong. Paul conveniently omitted Reagan's long internationalist record of leading the world with moral and strategic clarity."

And in perhaps one of his harshest critiques, Perry lumped Paul together with a favored political enemy of conservatives: President Barack Obama.

"Viewed together, Obama's policies have certainly led us to this dangerous point in Iraq and Syria, but Paul's brand of isolationism (or whatever term he prefers) would compound the threat of terrorism even further," Perry said.

Paul's team shot back at Perry's harsh criticism with stinging words of its own.

"60,000 children just invaded Texas, and their Governor has time to write an op ed in a Washington newspaper mischaracterizing Senator Paul's foreign policy," adviser Doug Stafford said in a statement to CNN, referring to the flood of unaccompanied children from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala surging into the United States along the southern border. "Perhaps he should concentrate on the invasion of his Southern border."

Perry and Paul each are considering a 2016 presidential run. It would be Perry's second run.
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Old 07-14-2014, 12:28 PM   #91
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1. Who is saying that?
He just told you Micheal Scheuer former CIA and head of the Bin Laden counter terrorism unit. Very knowledgeable about history of the ME.
He's been mentioned many times during this topic in other threads.

He's also not an anti-war type in general either. He supported a more aggressive attack on Afghanistan but to also revise our policies in the ME.
He did not support going into Iraq because the were not behind 9/11.

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2. Why does it matter why they attacked us? Attack is attack. Japan could have bombed Pearl Harbor because tastes great/less filling and we still mobilize and kick their ass.
Of course it matters—if you want to prevent attacks in the future. Addressing the policy that contributes to the problem is called sane and intelligent. Continue to support what doesn't work.

Up to first 20 seconds tells you the cause of the problem, how to address this problem. How it differs from past conflicts.

Now grow up and stop acting like a petulant child.

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Old 07-14-2014, 12:30 PM   #92
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So he is a foreign policy baboon but you agree with him? LOL
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Old 07-14-2014, 12:35 PM   #93
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He just told you Micheal Scheuer former CIA and head of the Bin Laden counter terrorism unit. Very knowledgeable about history of the ME.
He's been mentioned many times during this topic in other threads.

He's also not an anti-war type in general either. He supported a more aggressive attack on Afghanistan but to also revise our policies in the ME.
He did not support going into Iraq because the were not behind 9/11.



Of course it matters—if you want to prevent attacks in the future. Addressing the policy that contributes to the problem is called sane and intelligent. Continue to support what doesn't work.

Up to first 20 seconds tells you the cause of the problem, how to address this problem. How it differs from past conflicts.

Now grow up and stop acting like a petulant child.

We need your "whoosh" sound effect here.
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Old 07-14-2014, 12:47 PM   #94
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Fine with me. If they want to roll themselves back into the stone age, it's their land and their resources - their prerogative. We have more than enough oil production to capitalize on their stupidity.
patteeu claims to support "free-trade" but feels a war machine and wars are tools of trade, when they've been selling it to the west. Iraq sold theirs to the west. Fact of the matter is they need customers to survive. War is not needed to secure trade especially with new sources always being found introducing competition.

Pat's FP is one of mercantilism, which is what the British Empire's FP was about. He is not really for free-trade as he is engaging in a gross departure from that idea of it.
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Old 07-14-2014, 12:58 PM   #95
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Perry is a stupid neocon. The Islamic State is no real threat to the US.

The Islamic state exists for one reason: to take over.
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Old 07-14-2014, 01:15 PM   #96
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patteeu claims to support "free-trade" but feels a war machine and wars are tools of trade, when they've been selling it to the west. Iraq sold theirs to the west. Fact of the matter is they need customers to survive. War is not needed to secure trade especially with new sources always being found introducing competition.

Pat's FP is one of mercantilism, which is what the British Empire's FP was about. He is not really for free-trade as he is engaging in a gross departure from that idea of it.
We don't live in some kind of idealized environment where your pretty, utopian theories can thrive. We live in a messy world filled with people who want to prevent free trade and, in many cases, destroy capitalism altogether. Unilateral disarmament and a cheerful attitude won't carry the day in the real world.
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Old 07-14-2014, 01:21 PM   #97
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Another war based on a pack of lies. Bus Sr gave him the green light. Use the search here and look up the excellent debates on that one.
In particular Adept Havelock.
I'm not sure it was based on lies, but it was a great example of a woman doing a man's job.
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The Islamic state exists for one reason: to take over.
The very name ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) is a bit sanitized. It could/should be translated ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant)

The Levant is a region considered to contain Syria, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon, Turkey, and sometimes other areas.

Their claims are not going to stop with Syria and Iraq.
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ISIS is also barely a caliphate—except in their own minds. It's not really one, does not have a huge following.This claim is a joke. It is also weaker than is reported. We're seeing threat inflation hyped all over again.
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I just finished watching that Michael Scheuer video—Lessons in History for 55 minutes. Near the end he addresses the term "isolationism" which Pat Buchanan writes at the beginning of his book.

Isolationism is NOT a philosophy. It is a "SLUR." America since its Founding was created and governed as a nation fully involved in the world. In terms of: commerce, finance, business, diplomacy, education and science. We never built walls around us. We've NEVER been an "isolationist country." We've been non-interventionists primarily. That is the DIFFERENCE.

Using this SLUR os NO different than the use of the "race card" by the left, to prevent a discussion that would benefit this country first, over the world.

You should watch the whole thing when you get the time. Scheuer left a job he loved, considers it the best place to work with some of the brightest minds and he said he doesn't know anyone there who thinks the Islamacists attacked us because of how we live or think; because our woman are in the workplace etc. He highlights why and how we're stuck in a Cold War mentality that has little applicability to this conflict leading to why we're losing the WoT.

Scheuer claims we will be attacked again because we're handling the matter wrong. Including that we fund BOTH sides of the Israeli conflict.
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I just finished watching that Michael Scheuer video—Lessons in History for 55 minutes. Near the end he addresses the term "isolationism" which Pat Buchanan writes at the beginning of his book.

Isolationism is NOT a philosophy. It is a "SLUR." America since its Founding was created and governed as a nation fully involved in the world. In terms of: commerce, finance, business, diplomacy, education and science. We never built walls around us. We've NEVER been an "isolationist country." We've been non-interventionists primarily. That is the DIFFERENCE.

Using this SLUR os NO different than the use of the "race card" by the left, to prevent a discussion that would benefit this country first, over the world.

You should watch the whole thing when you get the time. Scheuer left a job he loved, considers it the best place to work with some of the brightest minds and he said he doesn't know anyone there who thinks the Islamacists attacked us because of how we live or think; because our woman are in the workplace etc. He highlights why and how we're stuck in a Cold War mentality that has little applicability to this conflict leading to why we're losing the WoT.

Scheuer claims we will be attacked again because we're handling the matter wrong. Including that we fund BOTH sides of the Israeli conflict.
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Do you think Rand Paul would favor a comprehensive disengagement from the region like this? Because BEP and some of the others keep telling me that what I call "isolationism" is really just about withdrawing our military from those types of places.
I think Rand would probably continue the momentum that Bush and Obama started, actually. They both had policies to exit Iraq, Bush establishing the date, and Obama following through.

As far as disengagement from the region, that's more of a question for congress than the president. I think Rand would respond to threats, as they appeared. But where engaging troops are concerned, I think Paul would be happy to be tied by the precedent Obama established in Syria, forcing congress to weigh in.
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The Islamic state exists for one reason: to take over.
This is the truth. They want to challenge Iran for supremacy in the region. Which side are you picking?
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The Perry response towards the end makes him look pretty confused.
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