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Old 07-12-2014, 05:11 PM  
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Perry: Paul 'isolationist policies' are 'curiously blind,' 'wrong'

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(CNN) – "Curiously blind" and "wrong."

Is Rick Perry previewing harsh political attacks against Rand Paul should the two potential 2016 presidential candidates square off in a debate over foreign policy?

The Republican governor of Texas used those and other choice words against the Kentucky Republican senator in a Friday opinion piece that singularly trained political fire on Paul, by name, among Republicans.

Firing back, an adviser for Paul said Perry is "mischaracterizing Senator Paul's foreign policy."

At issue: Paul's ideological preference for the United States to avoid engaging in many hotspots across the world. Critics, such as Perry, liken it to outright isolationism.

"As a veteran, and as a governor who has supported Texas National Guard deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, I can understand the emotions behind isolationism. Many people are tired of war, and the urge to pull back is a natural, human reaction," Perry began his piece in the Washington Post. "Unfortunately, we live in a world where isolationist policies would only endanger our national security even further."

"That's why it's disheartening to hear fellow Republicans, such as Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.), suggest that our nation should ignore what's happening in Iraq."

A few weeks ago, during an interview with CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley, Paul said: "I'm not willing to send my son into that mess."

"Let's not be involved in the Iraq civil war," Paul said, referring to weeks of violence across that country. Radical Sunni militants have battled Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's Shiite government forces. The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, has not only gained ground in northern and western Iraq but also in Syria.

Perry took Paul's sentiments to task.

Noting "the main problem with this argument is that it means ignoring the profound threat that the group now calling itself the Islamic State poses to the United States and the world," the governor wrote. ". …This represents a real threat to our national security — to which Paul seems curiously blind — because any of these passport carriers can simply buy a plane ticket and show up in the United States without even a visa."

Perry then picked apart an opinion piece Paul recently wrote in the Wall Street Journal arguing against U.S. military intervention in Iraq.

Writing that Paul went "so far as to claim…that President Ronald Reagan's own doctrines would lead him to same conclusion," Perry said, "his analysis is wrong. Paul conveniently omitted Reagan's long internationalist record of leading the world with moral and strategic clarity."

And in perhaps one of his harshest critiques, Perry lumped Paul together with a favored political enemy of conservatives: President Barack Obama.

"Viewed together, Obama's policies have certainly led us to this dangerous point in Iraq and Syria, but Paul's brand of isolationism (or whatever term he prefers) would compound the threat of terrorism even further," Perry said.

Paul's team shot back at Perry's harsh criticism with stinging words of its own.

"60,000 children just invaded Texas, and their Governor has time to write an op ed in a Washington newspaper mischaracterizing Senator Paul's foreign policy," adviser Doug Stafford said in a statement to CNN, referring to the flood of unaccompanied children from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala surging into the United States along the southern border. "Perhaps he should concentrate on the invasion of his Southern border."

Perry and Paul each are considering a 2016 presidential run. It would be Perry's second run.
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:46 PM   #121
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I think Paul would make a pretty good VPOTUS candidate. That would get the country used to his quirks when he makes a viable POTUS run.
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Old 07-15-2014, 07:08 PM   #122
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Old 07-16-2014, 07:49 AM   #123
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I think Paul would make a pretty good VPOTUS candidate. That would get the country used to his quirks when he makes a viable POTUS run.
Paul doesn't belong anywhere near the White House. It's good to have him in the Senate, but he shouldn't even be allowed on WH grounds for a reception for the Kentucky BB team.
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Old 07-16-2014, 09:32 AM   #124
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I think you may be letting one issue that you strongly disagree with him on color your perception a bit. Let’s put it this way, if you could snap your fingers and Rand would be the POTUS for the rest of Obama’s term I suspect you would do it with little if any hesitation.
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Old 07-16-2014, 09:47 AM   #125
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Paul doesn't belong anywhere near the White House. It's good to have him in the Senate, but he shouldn't even be allowed on WH grounds for a reception for the Kentucky BB team.
If he got the Republican nomination, and the Democrat he was running against touted a more hawkish foreign policy, would you vote for him or the Democrat?
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Old 07-16-2014, 12:57 PM   #126
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Using this SLUR os NO different than the use of the "race card" by the left, to prevent a discussion that would benefit this country first, over the world.
So is "hawk" and "war monger" but you and other isolationists have zero problem throwing it around haphazardly.

Pot meet kettle.
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Old 07-16-2014, 01:07 PM   #127
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Paul doesn't belong anywhere near the White House. It's good to have him in the Senate, but he shouldn't even be allowed on WH grounds for a reception for the Kentucky BB team.
Come on, Pat. He's not as bad as his father.
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Paul doesn't belong anywhere near the White House. It's good to have him in the Senate, but he shouldn't even be allowed on WH grounds for a reception for the Kentucky BB team.
You are a dumbass
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Old 07-16-2014, 03:14 PM   #129
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So is "hawk" and "war monger" but you and other isolationists have zero problem throwing it around haphazardly.

Pot meet kettle.
Hawk simply means supporting an aggressive foreign policy either on certain issues or all the time.

A monger is someone who sells something. As in a fish monger. So promoting war or military actions are selling those things. They are accurate. Isolationist is NOT accurate but a strawman. Thus it is a slur as it connotes being a hermit-like country circa Japan mid-19th century. It is used like the word "racism" when racism doesn't apply.

So NO, it is not a pot calling kettle. I was a hawk against communism during the Cold War, the latter half of it as it began before me. I don't consider it a slur and to my knowledge others don't. It simply separates who is advocating what as in hawks versus doves. Certainly you must know this as an old man.

If not, then you have trouble differentiating categories or knowing definitions.
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I think Paul would make a pretty good VPOTUS candidate. That would get the country used to his quirks when he makes a viable POTUS run.
Ha! Ha! Ha! You mean being in a do-nothing position.
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I think you may be letting one issue that you strongly disagree with him on color your perception a bit.
It's not really "just one issue" in the same sense that the minimum wage or stem cell research or the Keystone pipeline are just one issue. It's really more of a broad policy area made up of many issues.

To me, the two most important considerations when it comes to a POTUS candidate are foreign policy and SCOTUS nominations because of the President's unique ability to control them and because of the far reaching consequences. Rand Paul would be excellent on one of them and terrible on the other.

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Let’s put it this way, if you could snap your fingers and Rand would be the POTUS for the rest of Obama’s term I suspect you would do it with little if any hesitation.
In a heartbeat, sure.
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If he got the Republican nomination, and the Democrat he was running against touted a more hawkish foreign policy, would you vote for him or the Democrat?
That's a tough question. It's hard to imagine a democrat who could win my vote, even over Rand Paul. Maybe if a wildcard like David Petraeus got the democrat nomination with an emphasis on foreign policy and credibly moderate positions elsewhere, but most likely I'd vote for Rand Paul.
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Come on, Pat. He's not as bad as his father.
I don't think we can be confident of that, but "not as bad" doesn't mean "good enough to deserve my vote" anyway.
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It's not really "just one issue" in the same sense that the minimum wage or stem cell research or the Keystone pipeline are just one issue. It's really more of a broad policy area made up of many issues.

To me, the two most important considerations when it comes to a POTUS candidate are foreign policy and SCOTUS nominations because of the President's unique ability to control them and because of the far reaching consequences. Rand Paul would be excellent on one of them and terrible on the other.



In a heartbeat, sure.
Fair enough. I certainly see those two at the top of the list. I also see the debt/deficit on a similar level. Any candidate that will at least “try” and reign in spending will get strong consideration in my book. Admittedly not very many people put that as high on the list as I do. The Republican candidate will as likely as not be someone we are not even discussing yet.

Hillary has been crowned by the Democrats but she may not run be it from just not wanting the grueling schedule required or perhaps something may come out that sticks. In any case should she not run the Democrats will form a circular firing squad like the Republicans will and anything could happen. The only sure winner will be Saturday Night Live.
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