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Old 07-17-2014, 01:58 PM  
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Israel launches ground operation into Gaza

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2



Gaza City (CNN) -- [Breaking news update,Thursday, 3:50 p.m.]
The Israel Defense Forces initiated a ground operation into Gaza late Thursday following 10 days of bombings and airstrikes, the Israeli government said.
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Old 07-18-2014, 09:24 AM   #61
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Israel had Hamas defanged in every way imaginable prior to this offensive. It is an offensive of choice, unfortunately.
How many rockets have the Palestinians fired into Israel over the last few weeks?
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Old 07-18-2014, 09:24 AM   #62
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There's no real endgame here that makes sense, pat.

Either the IDF is unable to take out Hamas (most likely the outcome), and will have killed a bunch of civilians for no desirable outcome.

Or the IDF will somehow manage to take out Hamas, leaving a power vacuum in Palestine that will most likely be filled by even more extremist outfits.

This is not about Hamas. It's about taking another footstep towards Greater Israel.
This.
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Old 07-18-2014, 09:25 AM   #63
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No, it's about stopping rockets from raining down on Israeli cities and prevent Israelis from living in bomb shelters. I've been there and been in a shelter in Ashkelon over night. What would you want your military to do if you had to do the same thing in Springfield or wherever you reside?
Fortunately for Israel, Iron Dome has brilliantly "stopped rockets from raining down on Israeli cities and prevent Israelis from living in bomb shelters," by nearly every single measure.
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How many rockets have the Palestinians fired into Israel over the last few weeks?
A lot, unfortunately.

Edit: As always, I don't apologize for Hamas' actions.
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Old 07-18-2014, 09:27 AM   #65
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There's no real endgame here that makes sense, pat.

Either the IDF is unable to take out Hamas (most likely the outcome), and will have killed a bunch of civilians for no desirable outcome.

Or the IDF will somehow manage to take out Hamas, leaving a power vacuum in Palestine that will most likely be filled by even more extremist outfits.

This is not about Hamas. It's about taking another footstep towards Greater Israel.
Or, perhaps the Palestinians will release that electing Hamas was a very stupid idea, and will replace it with non-terrorist representation.
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Old 07-18-2014, 09:27 AM   #66
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Or, perhaps the Palestinians will release that electing Hamas was a very stupid idea, and will replace it with non-terrorist representation.
Right, because that's how human psychology works.

Desperate people become more extreme. They don't become more moderate.
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Old 07-18-2014, 09:27 AM   #67
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Fortunately for Israel, Iron Dome has brilliantly "stopped rockets from raining down on Israeli cities and prevent Israelis from living in bomb shelters," by nearly every single measure.
90%, that is their success rate. God forbid, or Allah if you so choose that one of those 10% hits you. Either way, you are in a shelter. Not fun I can guarantee you. Is there an Iron Dome outside Springfield? What would you want your military to do? Hope that you can shoot every single rocket down OR go take them out first?
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A lot, unfortunately.

Edit: As always, I don't apologize for Hamas' actions.
How did they do that, if they were "defanged in every way imaginable"?
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Israel had Hamas defanged in every way imaginable prior to this offensive. It is an offensive of choice, unfortunately.
Incorrect. You must have missed the news of the rocket attacks, the drone attacks, the tunnel infiltrations, etc.
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Right, because that's how human psychology works.

Desperate people become more extreme. They don't become more moderate.
Let's ask those super NAZIs in present day Germany what they think of that statement...
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How did they do that, if they were "defanged in every way imaginable"?
Because they are vastly inferior to Israel in every logistical way one party can be inferior to another.

Hamas' only real weaponry, their rockets, have been essentially completely neutered by Israel's Iron Dome.
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Incorrect. You must have missed the news of the rocket attacks, the drone attacks, the tunnel infiltrations, etc.
Feel free to flesh out your argument. As it stands now, it's pretty flimsy.
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Let's ask those super NAZIs in present day Germany what they think of that statement...
Oh, you mean the German people who were economically pounded into oblivion following WWI?

How did those economic sanctions work?
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Because they are vastly inferior to Israel in every logistical way one party can be inferior to another.
You have a weird definition of defanged, but I understand why.

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Hamas' only real weaponry, their rockets, have been essentially completely neutered by Israel's Iron Dome
And you are glad of that, right?
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Oh, you mean the German people who were economically pounded into oblivion following WWI?

How did those economic sanctions work?
Badly. So, how are those uber NAZIs in present day Germany?
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