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Old 07-25-2014, 04:38 PM  
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So what do you guys think of Brownback?

I guess 100 Republican officials endorsed the Democratic gubernatorial nominee for Kansas.

Brownback decided to significantly cut income taxes for the rich, and - surprise! - that didn't result in an increase of tax revenues. Kansas' credit rating has been cut and it's used up a large percentage of it's rainy day fund.

Thoughts? Love him? Sick of him yet?
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Old 07-25-2014, 04:49 PM   #2
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I think I'd rather elect a bag of dicks to office.

I live in Kansas, and I've always disliked him long before he was governor. He's a fundamentalist whack job who has been the driving force behind making Kansas a national laughing stock.

**** him with a rusty pitchfork.
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Old 07-25-2014, 05:06 PM   #3
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I think I'd rather elect a bag of dicks to office.

I live in Kansas, and I've always disliked him long before he was governor. He's a fundamentalist whack job who has been the driving force behind making Kansas a national laughing stock.

**** him with a rusty pitchfork.
Kansas was a laughing stock when Alf Landon was around and Brownback hasn't made it worse. And when he is gone it wont change. Governors come and go. Chill out. Soon you can vote a loon like Sebelius in again.
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Old 07-25-2014, 05:11 PM   #4
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Kansas was a laughing stock when Alf Landon was around and Brownback hasn't made it worse. And when he is gone it wont change. Governors come and go. Chill out. Soon you can vote a loon like Sebelius in again.
I'm not trying to turn this into a missouri/kansas pissing match moron. I'm speaking of specific things that Brownback did as both a senator and governor.

I don't hate him because he's a republican. I hate him because he's a fundamentalist idiot who attempts to legislate religion.

I didn't vote for sebelius. I'm pretty clear about my beliefs, so one would have to be pretty insular to think I would ever vote for someone like her.
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Old 07-25-2014, 05:21 PM   #5
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I think I'd rather elect a bag of dicks to office.

I live in Kansas, and I've always disliked him long before he was governor. He's a fundamentalist whack job who has been the driving force behind making Kansas a national laughing stock.

**** him with a rusty pitchfork.
Pretty much this
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Old 07-25-2014, 05:36 PM   #6
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I'm not trying to turn this into a missouri/kansas pissing match moron. I'm speaking of specific things that Brownback did as both a senator and governor.

I don't hate him because he's a republican. I hate him because he's a fundamentalist idiot who attempts to legislate religion.

I didn't vote for sebelius. I'm pretty clear about my beliefs, so one would have to be pretty insular to think I would ever vote for someone like her.
Even better. You dislike him this much because he has a Christian Belief. Thats rich.
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Old 07-25-2014, 05:41 PM   #7
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I don't follow Kansas politics but the first point here is that conservatives don't want Government to be "flush" in the first place since they believe the private sector should be free from taxation and regulation. So losing a "rainy day fund" isn't some attack they'll care about because they feel they aren't necessary.


As for the credit rating, it's important to ask what Kansas' rating is.



Two key points:

(1) liberal paradises CA and IL (where a certain politican hails from) are the two worst states by far.

(2) We also suffered a national credit downgrade in 2011. Therefore, any Democrat in Kansas who votes against Brownback based on this one issue damn well better not have voted to re-elect Obummer. (Also any pundit living in those two states shouldn't bash Brownback if he/she voted Obummer).
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Old 07-25-2014, 07:50 PM   #9
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The best governing Kansas had in a long time was when dumb **** Sebilius left and Parkinson said he wouldn't run after his interim term ended. He did what he thought was best, not things that would make him more electable.

I can't remember what all went down with Boeing, but that was a bad ****ing deal, and everyone I know in Wichita blames it on him. If he drove Boeing out that's a pretty major black eye.

The tax thing, I'm worried about. I wholeheartedly agree that lower taxes spurn growth, but I'm not sure the state can stay solvent long enough to take effect. In addition, I don't think the state has enough other things going for it to attract business. Labor, skilled and unskilled the same is tough to come by most places. But I won't lie, it was nice on March 1 to submit my K40. That really helped this fat bastard.

He's been friendly oil and gas. That's a huge plus.

In his commentary he's been anti-prairie chicken protection but hasn't done a damn thing about it. I wish he would. Goddamnded mother****ing treehuggers.

I think he's been pro-coal fire. At least I think he's helping to push the sunflower plant in Holcomb. That shit needs built 5 years ago.

He spearheaded the Local Enhanced Management Area for the Ogalalla aquifer. He came to my town and said that he's passed legislation to give the local groundwater management district localized control of water conservation and provided the resources to get it done. That's the best I've felt about any governance in a long ****ing time. It might be the first time since Reagan that control has flowed down not up. Either way it was a good thing. Now, I acknowledge that the dumb ducking water right holders pissed in the wind and couldn't find anything they could agree on, but at least power was flowing the right direction.

The thing that impressed me about the LEMA thing was he didn't have anything to gain politically. It was a program for the good of the region (that nobody on Topeka cares about) and cost him time and effort. Moreover, as far as I can remember the last governor to set foot in Scott County was Joan ****ing Finney.

I like a lot of the things he's doing, but ultimately I think several of them will fail.
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Old 07-25-2014, 07:58 PM   #10
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I guess 100 Republican officials endorsed the Democratic gubernatorial nominee for Kansas.

Brownback decided to significantly cut income taxes for the rich, and - surprise! - that didn't result in an increase of tax revenues. Kansas' credit rating has been cut and it's used up a large percentage of it's rainy day fund.

Thoughts? Love him? Sick of him yet?
Also, as far as I know, he didn't cut taxes for "the rich". He eliminated state income tax on earned income from business activities. So schedule C, F, 4835, were not taxed. B, D, wage income remained taxed.
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:00 PM   #11
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I saw a couple pieces on him recently. He was touting the "new" businesses his plan created. The problem is that they aren't really new or bringing people to Kansas, they're people taking advantage of whatever restructuring he's doing...

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Gov. Sam Brownback defended the state’s income tax cuts during an appearance on MSNBC this week, contending that low taxes are attracting people to the state and creating new businesses.

The governor told Chuck Todd, host of “The Daily Rundown,” that he wants to “hit the accelerator on what we’re doing” in a second term and continue cutting tax cuts to create jobs and opportunity. He said that his policies are working but that their successes have been overlooked.

“We have a record number of new businesses,” the governor told Todd.

Reports from the U.S. Census Bureau and the Kauffman Foundation offer a different view.

An April report from the Kauffman Foundation, a Kansas City, Mo., organization that promotes entrepreneurship, ranked Kansas 45th among states in business creation.

Nationwide, about 280 adults for every 100,000 people in the population created a new business each month in 2013, according to the Kauffman Foundation’s data. In Kansas that number was 180.

More than 15,000 new businesses registered with the Kansas Secretary of State’s Office in 2013. But that number does not reflect businesses that were dissolved, according to Nick Johnson, vice president for state fiscal policy for the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal think tank based in Washington, D.C.

“First, while more than 15,000 new businesses were incorporated in Kansas in 2013, more than 16,000 other businesses were either dissolved by their owners or forfeited for failure to file an annual report and pay the annual fee,” Johnson wrote in a February post.

“Even adding in the 4,500 businesses that owners reinstated that year (by filing annual reports after letting their status lapse), the net growth in registered businesses was about 3,600 – smaller than in 2012, the year before the tax cuts took effect,” he added.

Johnson called Brownback’s statement “misleading, at best.”

Brownback also said tax cuts have “stimulated people coming into the state.”

A March report from the U.S. Census Bureau showed that more people are moving away from Kansas than moving to it. The state had a net loss of 12,557 people between July 2012 and 2013.

Between 2010 and July 1, 2013 the state gained 16,752 people from international migration, but lost 26,949 people to other states, resulting in a net loss of 10,197.

The state’s overall population did increase during that period by 40,777, but that was driven by births and not by people deciding to move to Kansas from other states.

Mark Dugan, Brownback’s campaign manager, noted that the Census data is a year old.

“People are moving to Kansas because of our innovative tax program that is resulting in new jobs,” he said. He added that the state has received more than 1,600 applications in four years for the rural opportunity zones program, which offers tax breaks for people who move to rural Kansas.

Brownback dismissed concerns that the state is projected to face a more than $200 million deficit by 2017. He promised that tax cuts would create enough economic growth to cover the state’s expenses in the long term.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2014/07/10/354...#storylink=cpy
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:03 PM   #12
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Oh, and I'm pretty sure his school funding changes benefited large school districts and was adverse for small districts. I haven't done any real looking into it, but that's what I gather. And **** that.
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Oh, and I'm pretty sure his school funding changes benefited large school districts and was adverse for small districts. I haven't done any real looking into it, but that's what I gather. And **** that.
Id bet that is true. The huge pressure to spend out of control in JoCo has to impact small rural western Kansas school districts. When you see the monster schools in JoCo it will blow your mind. Douglas county as well.
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Id bet that is true. The huge pressure to spend out of control in JoCo has to impact small rural western Kansas school districts. When you see the monster schools in JoCo it will blow your mind. Douglas county as well.
I've heard stories.

In 2002 I ran regional track at Augusta. They had a new building and is bet their sports facilities cost more than all the foxes assets in Scott County school district. And that's Wichita. 12 years ago.
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I've heard stories.

In 2002 I ran regional track at Augusta. They had a new building and is bet their sports facilities cost more than all the foxes assets in Scott County school district. And that's Wichita. 12 years ago.
You catching any rain? Crops south of KC in KS and Mo look like freaking Illinois or Iowa. Never saw corn in this area look like this.
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