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Old 07-25-2014, 04:38 PM  
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So what do you guys think of Brownback?

I guess 100 Republican officials endorsed the Democratic gubernatorial nominee for Kansas.

Brownback decided to significantly cut income taxes for the rich, and - surprise! - that didn't result in an increase of tax revenues. Kansas' credit rating has been cut and it's used up a large percentage of it's rainy day fund.

Thoughts? Love him? Sick of him yet?
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:07 AM   #46
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Really? Literally showed California as one of a few who pay more to federal than they receive. Plenty of info. Guessing you didn't like the whole facts have a liberal bias thing.
CA is 12% of our population but 34% of our food stamp recipients. They must be so proud.
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:09 AM   #47
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Oh. My bad. I thought this was a presidential thread. A guy from 1870 is quite electable in Kansas. He should grow a large beard and sideburns, though.
You're still babbling. Can you make a point others can understand or is babbling your only method of communication?
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:14 AM   #48
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CA is 12% of our population but 34% of our food stamp recipients. They must be so proud.

"Why you bagging on California. They might be broke, but they're one of few states who don't get federal money to subsidize their budget."
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:17 AM   #49
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"Why you bagging on California. They might be broke, but they're one of few states who don't get federal money to subsidize their budget."
The whole "red states are moochers!" meme that started about 7 years ago is one of the best examples of liberal stupidity. Most federal transfer money is sent for military/infrastructure needs, which are common goods. And the upper 1/4 pays 80% of Fed Income Taxes and they vote reliably GOP. They're funding this anyway.


It's a liberal myth that simply won't ever die. None ever mention the fact that even if it were true, they'd only have their state Reps in Congress to blame anyway
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:31 AM   #50
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Why you bagging on California. They might be broke, but they're one of few states who don't get federal money to subsidize their budget.
What?
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:40 PM   #51
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He cut both "income derived from business" (to ZERO!) and also cut the rates in general from 4.9% to 3.9% for the top rate.
Did not know that. Thanks for pointing it out.

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Talk of Brownback dominates local politics, because most of the policies try to pretend we aren't having a massive revenue loss by shifting obligations to local governments, most of whom have had to raise property taxes to make up the difference.

He also kept the sales tax rate increase when it was set to expire, shifting taxes to the middle class.

His tax plan was not just the standard "republicans like to cut taxes" plan. It was a reckless, experimental plan where he actually said revenues ere going to go up. He literally wheeled in Arthur Laffer to address the legislature and promise this.

As Buehler points out though, most people don't make decisions to move to Kansas based on reductions in state income taxation. The experiment was doomed from the start and he managed to convert a hundreds of millions surplus into a hundreds of millions deficit in just a couple of years. And that's after pulling every shell game with revenues he could find.
I haven't paid much attention to the politics of it all, but if he's promising increased revenues, that's just dumb.

Like I said, I love tax breaks but I'm concerned about the state remaining solvent.
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Old 07-28-2014, 02:05 PM   #52
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Even better. You dislike him this much because he has a Christian Belief. Thats rich.
He didn't say that. He said he doesn't like that he pushes his Christian beliefs and bases his law around them. Difference, big difference.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:06 PM   #53
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so should I vote for this Davis guy come november?
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:23 PM   #54
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so should I vote for this Davis guy come november?
Who is he? Whats he ever done?
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Who is he? Whats he ever done?
he got his jd at washburn??? thats all ive got
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Old 07-28-2014, 10:22 PM   #56
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he got his jd at washburn??? thats all ive got
Id wait. Brownback may have some cool giveaways at rallys that would trump a jd from Washburn. Like plastic reusable drink cups. Or matches.
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....he managed to convert a hundreds of millions surplus into a hundreds of millions deficit in just a couple of years. And that's after pulling every shell game with revenues he could find.
FTR, I don't like Brownback and will not be voting for him (didn't vote for him the first time). That being said, I'm pretty sure this part is false. Kansas has been having trouble getting the budget balanced for several years now.
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You're still babbling. Can you make a point others can understand or is babbling your only method of communication?

I speak in a cryptic code that only the intelligent can read. Some think it's a superpower but I think it's a curse.

Seriously, do you not think that Brownback is just a wee bit on the conservative side? As in, conservative from a past century? I'm not saying that I disagree on all the issues with him, and in fact I support some. But the guy is so far right on social issues that the Taliban thinks he should lighten up a little.

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/sam_brownback.htm
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I don't know, is he materially different from Reagan and W?
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A Republican member of the New York State Assembly emails: “I read a number of breathless articles about the ‘failure’ of tax cuts in Kansas. … My concern is that the Left is winning the PR war on these tax cuts and will use this Kansas example against every governor who tries to reduce taxes if there is no push-back now. What are your thoughts on the Kansas tax cuts?”

Great question, assemblyman.

“Breathless” is exactly the word to describe the critics of the Kansas tax cuts, and indeed there are a number of them. For a flavor of the argument, one could check out a recent Paul Krugman column headlined, “Charlatans, Cranks, and Kansas,” asserting, “Kansas isn’t booming…the state’s budget has plunged deep into deficit, provoking a Moody’s downgrade of its debt.” Or one could consult the New York Times editorial headlined, “Kansas’ Ruinous Tax Cuts,” which described the tax cuts of Governor Brownback as “spectacularly ill-advised.”

Some voices in favor of the tax cuts are speaking out to correct the record. The chief economist of the Heritage Foundation, Stephen Moore, who is the co-author with Arthur Laffer, Rex Sinquefield, and Travis Brown of An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of States, had an article in the Kansas City Star quoting Governor Brownback explaining that when looking at the Kansas jobs numbers, you have to distinguish between government jobs and private sector ones: “We’ve cut public-sector jobs by making government more efficient.” As for private-sector job growth, “we’re second in the region last year behind only Oklahoma, which has an energy boom.”

And, Moore points out, “In Kansas City, the growth has been much faster on the Kansas side of the border than the Missouri side.”

At the Web site of Americans for Tax Reform, Will Upton digs deeper into the Kansas-Missouri comparison and confirms that Kansas City, Kansas, has been outperforming Kansas City, Missouri.

Upton’s post, headlined, “Kansas Tax Cuts Are Working,” makes two other important observations. First, he notes that even with the newly lowered top tax rate of 4.8 percent—a reduction from 6.45 percent—“Kansas still remains a relatively high tax state.” The Tax Foundation’s handy map of top state income tax rates shows neighboring Colorado with a lower 4.63 percent rate. It’s not too far away to Texas, South Dakota, or Wyoming, all of which have no state income tax at all.

Second, Upton notes that Kansas state law requires a balanced budget, so concerns about the state’s so-called deficit are likely to subside when the state actually end up with a surplus. And speaking of the deficit, it’s sure ironic that Professor Krugman is bemoaning one in Kansas when he’s spent the past five years bellyaching about the effects of deficit hawks in Washington who kept the stimulus smaller than he wanted it. When it’s deficits caused by liberal big-spenders, Krugman loves them. But when the threat of a deficit is the result of Republican tax cuts, Krugman sounds the alarm. Charlatans and cranks, indeed.

Nor is that the only irony. While The New York Times denounces as “ruinous” the Kansas tax cut, it is sitting in a state, New York, with a top rate of 8.82 percent. If all the government spending paid for by those high taxes were the panacea that the Times claims it is, you might expect New York to have a lower unemployment than Kansas. But check the numbers, and Kansas’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for June was a low 4.9 percent, while New York’s was 6.6 percent. “Ruinous,” indeed.

Yet another irony is that the state-level revenue shortfalls are created in part by national tax increases backed by President Obama. By increasing the federal capital gains tax, that forced revenue realization into earlier years. This has affected not only Kansas but, as a Wall Street Journal political diary item by Allysia Finley pointed out, also neighboring Missouri, which has a Democratic governor.

The Kansas experiment is still in progress. A 2013 law will reduce the top income tax rate to 3.9 percent by 2018 and opens the window for even further reductions after that.

One final thought: the measure of the success or failure of these tax cuts shouldn’t just be the effect they have on the bottom line of the Kansas state budget. The measure should be the effect they have on the budgets of the individuals, families, and businesses that are residents of Kansas. In the end it’s money that belongs to them.
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