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Old 08-03-2014, 09:54 AM  
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Missouri on Right To Farm Bill

Interesting vote coming up on this one. For the Missourians, where do you stand on this one? You can read about it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/us...tion.html?_r=0
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Old 08-03-2014, 02:39 PM   #31
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The had me for until they started b itching about livestock living conditions being bad. Is it so hard to be nice to our food?
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Old 08-03-2014, 03:41 PM   #32
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When a bill is being sponsored by big agribusiness whilst funneling money into the ad campaign's with questionable legality, it's usually a good bet it's going to **** over small farmers.

The Missouri Pork Association has spent close to 1/4 million dollars supporting this admendment. There's only one problem with that: almost all of MPA's money comes from federal "check off" money, which can't be used for political advocacy and/or lobbying.

Regarding the bill: in effect, it allows an entity to define something as "farming" and then be almost wholly protected. This country already has enough problems with antibiotic-resistant pathogens and groundwater contamination from agricultural overuse to give concentrated feedlots a free reign on what their practices can be.

I grew up in a small town in Missouri that wasn't too far from a massive pig CAFO that moved in during the mid 90's. They would have almost weekly shit run-offs that would pollute the local streams and groundwater, killing millions of fish, sullying the land in the process. In addition to the dirt wages they paid, they essentially destroyed local hog farming in a multi-county radius while producing worse meat with a greater negative environmental impact.

If you have papers like the Joplin Globe and Springfield joining in concert w/ the Star and Post-Dispatch against this, I think it's fair to assume it's not in the best interest of the average farmer.

For people who are supposedly strict interpreters of a Constitution, doesn't it strike one as odd that they feel the need to add an amendment do define farming?

They didn't need one to overturn the puppy mill ballot that was passed in 2010, but they need one for this?

Agribusiness isn't the business of producing better quality food; they exist to make money and they do that by eliminating competition. They've almost completely liquidated the small family farmer. Now, if they have carte blanche with regard to their farming practices, how does one step in if such practices are found to be even more harmful than multiple studies have already demonstrated?
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Old 08-03-2014, 04:00 PM   #33
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I would really like to know all of these huge mega farms that keep being brought up. There is none in my county. We deal with family farmers across the Midwest, none of them are these huge corporations that keep being brought up.
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Old 08-03-2014, 04:40 PM   #34
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If you have papers like the Joplin Globe and Springfield joining in concert w/ the Star and Post-Dispatch against this, I think it's fair to assume it's not in the best interest of the average farmer.

Generally, anything those papers are for, it is best to go 180 out from on their position. They are predictable and consistent. Never trust a city boy paper on a rural matter. No from them on amendments 1, 5 and 8. Yes on 7: more taxs. http://moscout.com/papers-positions/
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Old 08-03-2014, 05:08 PM   #35
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The had me for until they started b itching about livestock living conditions being bad. Is it so hard to be nice to our food?
Maybe im just not compassionate but I dont understand why anybody gives any shits whatsoever what conditions cows, pigs, and chickens are butchered in. If you are worried about the rights of chickens, and to fight this crusade to make sure they arent caged...I question your sanity
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Old 08-03-2014, 05:10 PM   #36
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Maybe im just not compassionate but I dont understand why anybody gives any shits whatsoever what conditions cows, pigs, and chickens are butchered in. If you are worried about the rights of chickens, and to fight this crusade to make sure they arent caged...I question your sanity
And these are the types of people that have funded the opposition to this and all of them are from out of state.
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Old 08-03-2014, 05:11 PM   #37
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I would really like to know all of these huge mega farms that keep being brought up. There is none in my county. We deal with family farmers across the Midwest, none of them are these huge corporations that keep being brought up.
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Maybe im just not compassionate but I dont understand why anybody gives any shits whatsoever what conditions cows, pigs, and chickens are butchered in. If you are worried about the rights of chickens, and to fight this crusade to make sure they arent caged...I question your sanity
Maybe it is just me but I want to be able to trust where the meat\pork\chicken comes from and not worry about getting E. Coli or eating a shit hamburger...literally. Call me crazy..
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Reading that map, the majority are just chicken farms. The ones that I know of, my county didn't have any but the neighboring counties did and I know where they are, are highly clean and regulated.
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Reading that map, the majority are just chicken farms. The ones that I know of, my county didn't have any but the neighboring counties did and I know where they are, are highly clean and regulated.
Of the largest class of farms, six are poultry farms; fourteen are hog farms. Of the second highest class, eight are poultry farms, while 24 are hog farms.

Overall, in class 1 and 2 there are 237 CAFOs for hogs and 225 are for poultry.

So not only are chicken farms not the majority, they aren't even the plurality.
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When a bill is being sponsored by big agribusiness whilst funneling money into the ad campaign's with questionable legality, it's usually a good bet it's going to **** over small farmers.

The Missouri Pork Association has spent close to 1/4 million dollars supporting this admendment. There's only one problem with that: almost all of MPA's money comes from federal "check off" money, which can't be used for political advocacy and/or lobbying.

Regarding the bill: in effect, it allows an entity to define something as "farming" and then be almost wholly protected. This country already has enough problems with antibiotic-resistant pathogens and groundwater contamination from agricultural overuse to give concentrated feedlots a free reign on what their practices can be.

I grew up in a small town in Missouri that wasn't too far from a massive pig CAFO that moved in during the mid 90's. They would have almost weekly shit run-offs that would pollute the local streams and groundwater, killing millions of fish, sullying the land in the process. In addition to the dirt wages they paid, they essentially destroyed local hog farming in a multi-county radius while producing worse meat with a greater negative environmental impact.

If you have papers like the Joplin Globe and Springfield joining in concert w/ the Star and Post-Dispatch against this, I think it's fair to assume it's not in the best interest of the average farmer.

For people who are supposedly strict interpreters of a Constitution, doesn't it strike one as odd that they feel the need to add an amendment do define farming?

They didn't need one to overturn the puppy mill ballot that was passed in 2010, but they need one for this?

Agribusiness isn't the business of producing better quality food; they exist to make money and they do that by eliminating competition. They've almost completely liquidated the small family farmer. Now, if they have carte blanche with regard to their farming practices, how does one step in if such practices are found to be even more harmful than multiple studies have already demonstrated?
I think you are overstating the effect of the bill. Any livestock lot with over 300 head has to follow EPA ferile water containment laws. Any antibiotic usage still has to follow label rates set forth by the FDA.

My (admittedly limited) understanding is that no state law can supersede these federal laws.

I think this is aimed at GMO labeling and hokey shit like the push for free range nonsense.

There is no getting out from under EPA or FDA. BY the way they tightened the requirements for containment, especially around watersheds a few years ago so the hog ferile water situation around your hometown may have improved.
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