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Old 08-03-2014, 09:54 AM  
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Interesting vote coming up on this one. For the Missourians, where do you stand on this one? You can read about it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/us...tion.html?_r=0
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Old 08-03-2014, 10:04 PM   #76
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Bloat comes from eating too lush of vegetation. My grandpa lost a mother****ing PILE of money because his fence went down around his alfalfa patch and his cows ate dewy alfalfa.

No grain involved.

Oh yeah, he had to move them around until they went down and stabbed them in the guts and hope they didn't die when they deflated.

Dad finally got some defoamer for his sprayer. Fixed the problem.
Every now and then you see the old diamond shaped sticker they used in extreme cases to stab a hole into rumen....nasty way to go but they did what they had to to save the cow. They still sell them although a bit more refined the knife or poker runs through a stainless steel sleeve that stays in until the gas is relieved
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Old 08-03-2014, 10:13 PM   #77
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Every now and then you see the old diamond shaped sticker they used in extreme cases to stab a hole into rumen....nasty way to go but they did what they had to to save the cow. They still sell them although a bit more refined the knife or poker runs through a stainless steel sleeve that stays in until the gas is relieved
This was an "OH ****. Bring a knife!" kind of disaster.
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Old 08-04-2014, 04:21 AM   #78
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I've learned that the next time I bloat to run a garden hose down my esophagus to let out pressure followed by by drinking a defoaming agent.
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Old 08-04-2014, 06:02 AM   #79
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Liberals have data easily read through charts and graphs.

Conservatives are just mad their bumper sticker nonsense propaganda has finally meet something just as easily read while also displaying data.
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Old 08-04-2014, 06:47 AM   #80
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FALSE CLAIM #3: Right to Farm would allow for more foreign ownership of Missouri land.

FACT: Missouri already has a law in place that limits foreign ownership of farmland in the state to a marginal 1%. In no way would Amendment 1 change or repeal that law. The above misleading ad was paid for by a Washington, D.C. based lobbying group whose leaders have made it their goal to eliminate all animal agriculture.
Don't know much about farming in MO, but based on recent appellate court cases, this claim seems likely wrong.

Whether its guns, political money, etc., the trend is to interpret these "shall not be infringed" type of amendment s is a more literal, absolute prohibition which prevents regulation.

I don't think it's any accident that the language in this proposed amendment mirrors the Second Amendment. These people are going to use this amendment to challenge probably a host of existing regulations in court.

It's not much comfort in the answer above that it doesn't "change or repeal that law". No Amendment "changes or repeals a law" it doesnt need to, it is legally superior to statutory laws and regulations. It voids them by operation of law or court interpretation.

Smells like the big out-of-state agribusinesses are behind this one. They came in about two years back and Brownback helped them repeal our rule in KS.
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:35 PM   #81
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I oppose the the proposal as part of the Missouri Constitution. Larger "farm" entities will have Missouri Tax dollars from the Att. General to fight regulations. Additionally I don't see how Urban Enterprises are somehow inferior endeavors. If Farming gets Constitutional protection why not Mining or such. Take care of these concerns legislatively.
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:51 PM   #82
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Simple truth. We can't produce the protein necessary to sustain life on this country by eliminating grain feed.

I'll go cows because that's what I know.

Time to slaughter finished on grain: aprox 1 year.
Time to slaugher on grass: approx 2 years.

Cows per acre on grass in Scott County Kansas. .1 Yes, 1/10 of a cow per acre or 10 acres per cow.
Cows per acre in a lot: 50 head/acre.

It doesn't take a math whiz to figure out that there isn't enough grass for cows alone, much less hogs (which are a bitch to free range), chickens (which are tougher, because EVERYTHING eats them), and turkeys (**** turkeys).

Eliminating the capacity of the livestock industry to finish on grain will not happen. It just won't. If it does, most of us will be eating meat off grain it will just come from South America or Australia.
Ultimately, how sustainable is that model? I'm not talking about what will happen, because people are always short-sighted in their choices.

If the average American eats 50% more meat than they did 50 years ago, and that is fueled by turning most of the agricultural land of this country endless grids of corn, and the initial cost-effective policy is to confine the animals and give them antibiotics to ward off illness and metabolic acidosis, shouldn't we begin to ask if this model can continue without collapse?
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:54 PM   #83
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Bloat also comes from eating grain.

Per Merck:

Frothy bloat also is seen in feedlot cattle, and less commonly in dairy cattle, on high-grain diets. The cause of the foam in feedlot bloat is uncertain but is thought to be either the production of insoluble slime by certain species of rumen bacteria in cattle fed high-carbohydrate diets or the entrapment of the gases of fermentation by the fine particle size of ground feed. Fine particulate matter, such as in finely ground grain, can markedly affect foam stability as can a low roughage intake. Feedlot bloat is most common in cattle that have been on a grain diet for 1–2 mo. This timing may be due to the increase in the level of grain feeding or to the time it takes for the slime-producing rumen bacteria to proliferate to large enough numbers.
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Old 08-04-2014, 01:03 PM   #84
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I know you desire to be right badly. But you are looking steadily more foolish.

Grass fed is not a certification. Its a voluntary claim. The USDA does not certify anything. The claim is voluntary and in 2007 the USDA established a definition. Anyone can claim the grass fed.
That's bullshit. There is a USDA grass-fed label, and to get the label, You have to adhere to the policies I outlined in the previous post.

This is directly from the USDA:

he term grass or grain-fed cattle in federally inspected meat products is considered a special label claim, provided the producer can provide support for this statement on the label and, as such, must be submitted to the Labeling and Consumer Protection Staff (LCPS) for their review and approval

Seems you are as incompetent in your own profession as you are in everything else in the world.

Cattle don't get antibiotics in feedlots--false
Bloat isn't treated with a hose--false
There is no USDA policy for grass-fed--false

Do you know anything about anything?
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Old 08-04-2014, 01:13 PM   #85
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Don't know much about farming in MO, but based on recent appellate court cases, this claim seems likely wrong.

Whether its guns, political money, etc., the trend is to interpret these "shall not be infringed" type of amendment s is a more literal, absolute prohibition which prevents regulation.

I don't think it's any accident that the language in this proposed amendment mirrors the Second Amendment. These people are going to use this amendment to challenge probably a host of existing regulations in court.

It's not much comfort in the answer above that it doesn't "change or repeal that law". No Amendment "changes or repeals a law" it doesnt need to, it is legally superior to statutory laws and regulations. It voids them by operation of law or court interpretation.

Smells like the big out-of-state agribusinesses are behind this one. They came in about two years back and Brownback helped them repeal our rule in KS.
That is my interpretation and feeling as well. That is why I am voting no plus I don't think farmers need any special protection any more than they have currently.

I am also voting no on the DOT tax. They just need to repeal the law that blocks toll roads and make I-70 and I-44 toll roads.
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That is my interpretation and feeling as well. That is why I am voting no plus I don't think farmers need any special protection any more than they have currently.

I am also voting no on the DOT tax. They just need to repeal the law that blocks toll roads and make I-70 and I-44 toll roads.
Agreed. Absolutely idiotic that 70 isn't a toll road. Truckers gang rape that ****ing highway.

They should do what other civilized states do and not only make it a toll road, but lower the truck speed limit to 55-60.
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Old 08-04-2014, 01:16 PM   #87
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Agreed. Absolutely idiotic that 70 isn't a toll road. Truckers gang rape that ****ing highway.

They should do what other civilized states do and not only make it a toll road, but lower the truck speed limit to 55-60.
I know Ohio has the turnpike... but somehow I-70 through there is a like a freaking dream without it being a toll road.
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Old 08-04-2014, 01:18 PM   #88
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Agreed. Absolutely idiotic that 70 isn't a toll road. Truckers gang rape that ****ing highway.

They should do what other civilized states do and not only make it a toll road, but lower the truck speed limit to 55-60.
This is a bad idea. The way to handle this properly is to do what Texas does now (ouch, can't believe I just said that). Make it a hybrid toll road with free lanes and toll lanes. I'd even support requiring semis to use the toll lanes to offset the extra costs they incur. It's a surprisingly effective system.
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Agreed. Absolutely idiotic that 70 isn't a toll road. Truckers gang rape that ****ing highway.

They should do what other civilized states do and not only make it a toll road, but lower the truck speed limit to 55-60.
I just read that amendment blocks toll roads for the next 10 years which is so stupid. I agree about I-70 I hate driving on it. It would be nice if they made it a toll road and widened it to 3 lanes on each side.
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I wouldn't mind the MODOT thing because one of the roads they are working on would benefit me a lot. Finishing a section of Highway 50 between Sedalia to Jefferson City to make that a four lane road. Highway 50 then would be a four lane road from KC to east of Jefferson City, and would be an excellent alternative to I-70.
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