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Old 08-03-2014, 09:54 AM  
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Interesting vote coming up on this one. For the Missourians, where do you stand on this one? You can read about it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/us...tion.html?_r=0
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Old 08-04-2014, 02:11 PM   #91
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I wouldn't mind the MODOT thing because one of the roads they are working on would benefit me a lot. Finishing a section of Highway 50 between Sedalia to Jefferson City to make that a four lane road. Highway 50 then would be a four lane road from KC to east of Jefferson City, and would be an excellent alternative to I-70.
That would be a benefit for me as well. I could then go up 63 to Columbia
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Old 08-04-2014, 02:23 PM   #92
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That would be a benefit for me as well. I could then go up 63 to Columbia
They need to 4 lane 63 from Jefferson City to Rolla and below.

It's just a pain in the butt to travel south in the middle of MO.
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Making I-70 6 lanes across the state and making Hwy 50 a four lane from KC to St. Louis suburbs would solve a bunch of the I-70 problems IMO. Just will be costly as hell.
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Old 08-04-2014, 03:35 PM   #94
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Its a garbage move. Truckers got a gift, taxpayers take the full hit, out of state trucks love it, KC should pay for their own loser trolly, and toll roads should be built not stopped.
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Old 08-04-2014, 04:21 PM   #95
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That's bullshit. There is a USDA grass-fed label, and to get the label, You have to adhere to the policies I outlined in the previous post.

This is directly from the USDA:

he term grass or grain-fed cattle in federally inspected meat products is considered a special label claim, provided the producer can provide support for this statement on the label and, as such, must be submitted to the Labeling and Consumer Protection Staff (LCPS) for their review and approval

Seems you are as incompetent in your own profession as you are in everything else in the world.

Cattle don't get antibiotics in feedlots--false
Bloat isn't treated with a hose--false
There is no USDA policy for grass-fed--false

Do you know anything about anything?
Term is voluntary as anyone can see in the definition. You are a blowhard fool who can't admit you know nothing but some garbage you google with no understanding. USDA does no inspection, no certification of any kind on grass fed claims. Same with terms like natural. The ignorant consumer (ignorant meaning uninformed, not a derogatory term) falls for these things hook line and sinker. If you believe there is a difference thats awesome. Eat up. We who raise our own will have them on grass as long as it makes sense then we supplement hay with corn, protein and minerals and that is basically what happens in a feed lot just more concentrated. Organic has strict guidelines and is far different

No one ever said they don't get antibiotics. Sure they do. They get sick in pastures as well. We treat them so they feel better and are well and can go back to gaining weight. We also spray for flies , treat pinkeye, treat them for worms, and do a very good job of keeping our cows, calves, and feeders healthy. You can't do that without antibiotics. We only treat when needed. Its expensive so we don't use these things foolishly. Anyone who believes otherwise is woefully uninformed.

Find anyone who has passed a hose on a blot in anything but a rare situation. I said it is a treatment possibility. No one does it on any scale. its a fast way to get a burp.

You should look into a tour of a farm or two. See for yourself. Go to a university farm and ask a question or two. You would be amazed how easy it is to get a free lesson or two. People involved in any business are generally very open to help others understand the business. Don't go into it with some horses ass attitude. Go in the spring when there are calves. See the cows taking care of the baby calves and take alook at the pastures. I assume you live in Missouri. Go to the state fair and talk to a beef producer. We are the second largest Cow-calf state in the nation. Have lunch or dinner in the Beef House and talk to the producers cooking your burger or steak. Learning is easy. Recognizing you need a lesson is harder for some.
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Ok, so I went ahead and read 7 U.S.C. 1621–1627.. and I see nothing that gives any enforcement capacity to the USDA regarding the grass fed definition.

Other things like the organic labeling are clearly defined in the Organic Foods Production Act or a bunch of crap with seeds is defined in the Federal Seed Act... but I can't find anything for "grass fed" except a definition that is authorized under the authority of 7 U.S.C. 1621–1627... which doesn't mention anything regarding enforcement.

Basically 7 U.S.C. 1621–1627 gives the USDA authority to do research and hold panels to come up with definitions like this. It doesn't appear to speak to verification of claims.
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Old 08-04-2014, 07:46 PM   #97
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Where do you stand on this one gblowfish?

I'm in favor of it.
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Old 08-04-2014, 08:58 PM   #98
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Ultimately, how sustainable is that model? I'm not talking about what will happen, because people are always short-sighted in their choices.

If the average American eats 50% more meat than they did 50 years ago, and that is fueled by turning most of the agricultural land of this country endless grids of corn, and the initial cost-effective policy is to confine the animals and give them antibiotics to ward off illness and metabolic acidosis, shouldn't we begin to ask if this model can continue without collapse?
Collapse? It's been this way at least in cattle for over 50 years in my part of the world, probably longer in others.

Besides, we have no real options. Live cattle (fed ready to slaughter cattle) set new ALL TIME HIGHS this year and are pressing on them again. There is no way to reduce the herd significantly without worldwide famine. Cow guys will know better than me, but I think the cow herd shrunk like 5-8% as the cause of the runup. If you eliminate confinement you're talking like. 85% of the cattle going away. Those are rough numbers but even as much grass as is available, it's mind boggling how much smaller the herd would be without confinement. Again, that's beef. Nothing at all about the other three that spend their entire life in confinement.
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Collapse? It's been this way at least in cattle for over 50 years in my part of the world, probably longer in others.

Besides, we have no real options. Live cattle (fed ready to slaughter cattle) set new ALL TIME HIGHS this year and are pressing on them again. There is no way to reduce the herd significantly without worldwide famine. Cow guys will know better than me, but I think the cow herd shrunk like 5-8% as the cause of the runup. If you eliminate confinement you're talking like. 85% of the cattle going away. Those are rough numbers but even as much grass as is available, it's mind boggling how much smaller the herd would be without confinement. Again, that's beef. Nothing at all about the other three that spend their entire life in confinement.
I believe the shrink was larger than your figures. To be honest, I don't even think those "in the know" even know how big the shrink was. It's just like the crop reports. The figures are hardly ever right on as they often seem to have a hidden agenda.

There are guys paying over $200/acre pasture rent just trying to keep their cows. There are guys trying to figure out how to dry lot cow calf pairs year round as they can't even find grass to rent. There are guys trying to figure out how to dry lot pairs between stalk grazing. Is any of the above sustainable?? The markets have changed in a serious way and I expect you and I will get to see it happen again. Probably much sooner than expected.

True "grass fed" beef is not sustainable on any type of large scale without serious sacrifices or nation wide beef consumption changes. It's that simple. If you plug the potential change in the export markets into the equation, all bets are off on where we go from here.

I don't know anyone but the pipe dream puppets talking about feeding the masses by making the system less efficient.
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I believe the shrink was larger than your figures. To be honest, I don't even think those "in the know" even know how big the shrink was. It's just like the crop reports. The figures are hardly ever right on as they often seem to have a hidden agenda.

There are guys paying over $200/acre pasture rent just trying to keep their cows. There are guys trying to figure out how to dry lot cow calf pairs year round as they can't even find grass to rent. There are guys trying to figure out how to dry lot pairs between stalk grazing. Is any of the above sustainable?? The markets have changed in a serious way and I expect you and I will get to see it happen again. Probably much sooner than expected.

True "grass fed" beef is not sustainable on any type of large scale without serious sacrifices or nation wide beef consumption changes. It's that simple. If you plug the potential change in the export markets into the equation, all bets are off on where we go from here.

I don't know anyone but the pipe dream puppets talking about feeding the masses by making the system less efficient.
I could be wrong on the herd shrinkage but the simple truth is without confinement there is basically no meat production in the US.
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Old 08-05-2014, 07:33 AM   #101
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Amendment #1 – Why do we need it we ask
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Wanted to share some information I gleaned that may or may not be helpful in my research.

In conversation with Leslie Holloway of Missouri Farm Bureau, this amendment started 4 years ago with legislators trying to protect farmers against anti- agriculture activist groups such as HSUS and PETA and others whom are large animal rights organizations, to ensure Mo. farming methods and practices are not subject to extreme regulations in future legislation.

Amendment #1 is attached to Article VI of the Mo. Constitution which relates to the authority of local government. Those opposing Amendment #1 were concerned with taking away local control, therefore this attachment to Article VI is just assuring there will be No change to the constitution language pertaining to local control. It stays the way it is in the constitution.

Amendment #1 has nothing to do with “Foreign Ownership”. It in no way is allowing for increased foreign ownership.

In fact, until last year, Missouri did prohibit “Foreign Ownership”. Legislation changed the law last year which Mo. Farm Bureau opposed in allowing up to 1% to be owned by foreign entities. This year, Farm Bureau tried to change the law back to prohibit any foreign ownership (0%), but legislation turned it down. So they tried to compromise with legislation allowing only ˝% and that did not pass by legislation either. Now Missouri states 1% is allowed for “Foreign Ownership”; nothing got changed last year. Farm Bureau will continue to try to do something when legislators reconvene in Jan. 2015. But again, this legislation has nothing to do with Amendment #1 and should not be confused; this is separate legislation. Missouri Farm Bureau supports Amendment #1.

The Department of Agriculture currently shows that .29% of Farmland is owned by Foreign Entities in Missouri. Soon after last year’s legislation, that kept the 1% on ownership, Smithfield Foods sold out to a Chinese Company. This was the first large asset of acreage acquired by a Foreign Entity. With this sell, 42,678 ac. in Missouri was acquired by this Chinese Company. Smithfield Foods is the largest Pork Producer in the world. The 2nd largest holder of Missouri farmland was when the New Zealand Dairies bought 16,600 acres. Again, this puts Mo. at .29%, under the 1% law.

There are current corporate laws on the books that prohibit corporate ownership of farmland for farming. Only research and some other exceptions are allowed, but they cannot farm. An example for around our area would be Cargill; they do not farm, they don’t own the land, but rather contract with the farmer. These laws will Not be affected by Amendment #1.

Attorney General Koster said the Right to Farm amendment ensures Mo. farming methods are not subject to extreme regulations. As you know, there are already local, state & federal regulations that apply to agriculture and they stay in place. These restrictions will not be altered nor are any being added per Leslie Holloway, Mo. Farm Bureau.

More information can be found on mofb.org or mofarmerscare.com or www.fsa.usda.gov for information regarding Foreign Holdings of U.S. Agricultural Land through December 2011.

This measure is NOT about…..
Big or small farming operations or practices, but about all farms and all farm practices. Not about foreign ownership or corporate farms, Mo. already has laws restricting both. Adoption of this measure will not limit local ordinances nor repeal current laws or regulations, exempt agriculture from being regulated or protect farmers who violate laws or regulations.

Virtually every farmer-led agriculture organization in Mo. strongly supports Amendment #1 according to Leslie. Other supporters of which I have read about also include electric cooperatives and farm-credit organizations. The agriculture industry seeks to create the right to farm.

Hopefully this information has been helpful; we have to come to our own conclusions as we do our own research.
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I could be wrong on the herd shrinkage but the simple truth is without confinement there is basically no meat production in the US.

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Where did the record cattle prices this year come from? That is a question almost all analysts and many cattle producers are asking. It was not so surprising to have record high cattle prices, but the real surprise was the lofty heights of those new records. In the first quarter, as an example, Nebraska steers averaged $147 per live hundredweight which was more than $20 higher than the previous first quarter record price. In percentage terms, finished cattle prices in the first quarter this year were up 17 percent and production was down only four percent.

It is easy to list some possible causes, but none of them seem to be large enough to have caused such startlingly high prices. We start with the fact that meat and poultry supplies all were low. We have mentioned the four percent reduced beef production and broiler egg hatchability has been low, reducing chicken supplies below expectations. Then it appears that PED virus in hogs may have been the real kicker, primarily because the pork market appears to have sharply overshot prices due to the uncertainty of the actual death loss from the disease. There were also arguments that "maybe" demand was very strong, but first quarter GDP growth of only 0.1 percent seems to discredit this argument. Data on trade are positive, but not enough to explain such high prices.

Much like pork, we are left with an incomplete understanding of why cattle prices were so high, especially in March and April. Like in the pork sector, this may mean that cattle prices were "caught-up" in the fear of very short meat and poultry supplies and may have become overpriced. This may be another example of the old market adage of "buy the rumor and sell the fact."

Record beef prices for consumers have also become a reality. In 2013, retail beef prices averaged $5.29 per pound but moved to a record $5.55 in the first quarter of 2014. Retail beef prices in 2014 are now expected to average $5.67 per pound, an increase of seven percent over last year.

Current live cattle futures markets are taking a more moderate approach to prices for the rest of the year now that the highs of the year are likely behind us. Prices of finished cattle are expected to move downward to the mid-to-lower $140s in May and June. Prices are expected to dip more in the third quarter with an average in the $135 to $139 range, and then recover into the low-to-mid $140s for the last quarter average. Prices in 2013 averaged $126 and this year's new record is expected to be near $142.

Unexplained high prices in the first four months of 2014 have added new excitement for cattle producers as they see strong profitability potential for the first time in years. This means that the conditions have become positive for some beef cow producers to move toward expansion. The two conditions that we have suggested for expansion are the movement of calf prices above $1.75 per pound and restoration of pasture and grazing land after dry or drought conditions. In terms of calf prices, calves weighting 500 to 550 pounds at Oklahoma City averaged $2.15 per pound in the first quarter and heifer calves averaged $1.93. Both were record highs.

Much of the country, but not all, has seen improved pasture conditions. The regions that remain a concern are the Southern Plains, the Southwest, and the West. The Drought Monitor from NOAA shows some anticipated drought abatement this summer for the Central Plains and Eastern Texas. If so, this means that only about 15 percent of the nation's brood cows will be in areas still in drought. Alternatively, about 85 percent of the beef cows are in regions where pasture and range is sufficient to promote herd expansion.

The evidence so far this year is that expansion has started, as measured by reductions in female slaughter and by reduced number of heifers in the feedlots. In the first quarter, the number of heifers slaughtered was down seven percent and the number of cows slaughtered was down eight percent. In contrast the steer slaughter was only down three percent. The reduced female slaughter alone accounted for two percent fewer animals in the total slaughter mix.

The USDA's quarterly cattle on feed report suggested that fewer females have headed to the feedlots. On April 1, the number of heifers in feedlots was down six percent while steers were up two percent. Some producers hold on to heifers to gain the flexibility to either move them to breeding herds or to later decide to sell them to feedlots. Under current economic conditions, the odds favor many being added to the breeding herd.

The expansion of the beef herd is just beginning and will likely extend for multiple years. This means small supplies and strong prices of beef in 2015 and 2016. Beef producers, however, should expect both poultry and pork production to grow rapidly in 2015 and 2016.
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It's bullshit that all of the proposed amendments were due to businesses having a hand up the MO legislature's ass. None of these proposed amendments came from any residents of the state.
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Old 08-05-2014, 08:22 AM   #104
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Right to farm is BS. Just an attempt to deregulate the industry, i.e. save money by cutting corners with the food they are producing.

The guy that sponsored the bill has Smithfield Foods, pork producer owned by a Chinese company, as a campaign donor.
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Where do you stand on this one gblowfish?

I'm in favor of it.
I voted NO on all the constitutional amendments except one.

Since I keep my voting to myself, you'll have to guess which one I voted YES on.
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