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DOHUK, Iraq American military forces bombed at least two targets in northern Iraq on Thursday night to rout Islamist insurgents who have trapped tens of thousands of religious minorities in Kurdish areas, Kurdish officials said.

Word of the bombings, reported on Kurdish television from the city of Erbil, came as President Obama was preparing to make a statement in Washington.

Kurdish officials said the bombings targeted fighters from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria who had seized two towns, Gwer and Mahmour. Residents who had fled those areas by car were heard honking their horns in approval. But Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said on Twitter that the reports of a U.S. airstrike were false.

Obama administration officials had said earlier in the day that Mr. Obama was considering airstrikes or airdrops of food and medicine to address a humanitarian crisis among as many as 40,000 members of religious minorities in Iraq, who have been dying of heat and thirst on a mountaintop where they took shelter after death threats from ISIS.
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Old 08-09-2014, 12:29 PM   #31
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You know, Charles Krauthammer makes some really good points.
Because Turkey really doesn't want an a heavily armed Kurdish army. Iran could see it as provocation as well. Since the Kurds are ethnic minorities in both states.

This all goes back to how badly Europe divided up the Middle East after the fall of the Ottoman empire.
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:32 PM   #34
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ISIS is beheading children, and Obama drops two bombs
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I know, right? You'd think we would have nuked somebody by now. This shit is getting boring.
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:33 PM   #35
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Why is there such anger in that part of the world? There always has been, from the dawn of modern man. I just don't get it (which is likely a good thing).
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:39 PM   #36
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Why is there such anger in that part of the world? There always has been, from the dawn of modern man. I just don't get it (which is likely a good thing).
****ers are nuts. Lots of crazy ****ers like Muslims and a ton of them south of the border. Angry about shit so they'll each other and do drugs. Third world shitholes. They will turn New Mexico and south Texas and south Arizona into the same given time.
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President Obama said Saturday that U.S. airstrikes in northern Iraq would remain sharply limited so long as the nation’s political leadership remains divided along sectarian lines. But he held out the possibility of more aggressive military intervention if a unified government emerges and said the current crisis is unlikely to be resolved soon.

“I don’t think we’re going to solve this problem in weeks,” Obama said. “I think this is going to take some time.”

Obama, speaking at the White House hours after American fighter jets roared over new front lines in northern Iraq, repeatedly emphasized that the extent of political progress in Baghdad will determine the course of U.S. intervention. While explicitly ruling out sending American ground troops less than three years after the last ones left Iraq, he said the U.S. and allies would be prepared to “not just play defense but also engage in some offense” if a new government forms that brings together Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.

“We can conduct airstrikes, but ultimately there’s not going to be an American military solution to this problem,” Obama said. “There’s going to have to be an Iraqi solution that America and other countries and allies support. And that can’t happen effectively until you have a legitimate Iraqi government.”

The strikes Friday were limited in scope but helped temper days of building panic across the north of the country as militants with the extremist Islamic State sliced through a string of towns and villages scattered on the outskirts of the Kurdish region and sent tens of thousands of civilians fleeing for their lives.

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Old 08-09-2014, 09:27 PM   #38
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Why is there such anger in that part of the world? There always has been, from the dawn of modern man. I just don't get it (which is likely a good thing).
Its easier to focus the rage of the populace outward before they start asking why you aren't making their lives better.

Plus, war is the health of the state. The citizenry is less likely to object to growing government power and despotism if it is done in the name of fighting the enemy.
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Why is there such anger in that part of the world? There always has been, from the dawn of modern man. I just don't get it (which is likely a good thing).
They're ****ing barbarians, that's why. the middle east = Middle ages. hangings, beheadings, cutting the hand off of a thief. these are things that were done before modern civilization and these scumbags are still doing it in 2014.
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Could anybody possibly imagine where we would be now had ALGORE won the 2000 election?
He didn't. And now, 11 years after "we will be greeted as liberators", how could it be worse?
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Its easier to focus the rage of the populace outward before they start asking why you aren't making their lives better.

Plus, war is the health of the state. The citizenry is less likely to object to growing government power and despotism if it is done in the name of fighting the enemy.
Very western liberal perspective. "Liberal" in the original meaning. Ignores the tenants of Islam and the cultures of the region. I have never heard any Arab, Turk, Persian, Egyptian, Afghan or Paki ask why their government should make their life better. Inshallah. "There will always be sand."
Sir Lawrence got it as close as any westerner and he had to murder his friend to prove his trust and committ other "western" atrocities while going against his country's policies to begin to understand the culture. Nassar's pan-Arabism and Egypt's historic leadership role are gone today. The artificialities of western created boundaries and governments under a UN idealism are not being supported and it is returning to its "natural"state of continuos conflict and territory fights driven by tribal and transient agreements. Our values of trust, integrity and commitment do not exist in their cultures beyond a solution to an immediate issue "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic.
As a Sunni tribal leader and friend from Fallujah once tried to explain western and his cultural differences to me using an Arab parable; You are in a sinking boat with your child, your wife and your father. You can only save one. Westerners try to save all or die together. If they can only save 1, they save the child. Arabs know, they can always get another wife, she can always produce them more children but you will only have 1 father. You must save your father. Inshallah.
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Very western liberal perspective. "Liberal" in the original meaning. Ignores the tenants of Islam and the cultures of the region. I have never heard any Arab, Turk, Persian, Egyptian, Afghan or Paki ask why their government should make their life better. Inshallah. "There will always be sand."
Sir Lawrence got it as close as any westerner and he had to murder his friend to prove his trust and committ other "western" atrocities while going against his country's policies to begin to understand the culture. Nassar's pan-Arabism and Egypt's historic leadership role are gone today. The artificialities of western created boundaries and governments under a UN idealism are not being supported and it is returning to its "natural"state of continuos conflict and territory fights driven by tribal and transient agreements. Our values of trust, integrity and commitment do not exist in their cultures beyond a solution to an immediate issue "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic.
As a Sunni tribal leader and friend from Fallujah once tried to explain western and his cultural differences to me using an Arab parable; You are in a sinking boat with your child, your wife and your father. You can only save one. Westerners try to save all or die together. If they can only save 1, they save the child. Arabs know, they can always get another wife, she can always produce them more children but you will only have 1 father. You must save your father. Inshallah.
One of my best friends is a Iranian whose family moved to the US right before the revolution and he still goes back there every couple years as his family still owns property in Iran.

The Iranian Revolution was very much about improving the lives of the average citizen in Iran as the Shah was using torture and secret police. In fact Khomeini actually had support of very moderate Ayatollahs who saw him as one who was persecuted would not persecute them compared to the Shah. They were wrong and Khomeini eventually imprisoned them. That is the problem with most revolutions: one thug gets replaced by a worse thug.

My friend in comparing the life in Iran before the revolution and afterwards says that the Shah never should of been deposed not out of any loyalty, in fact he is opposed to the Shah's heirs, but from a quality of life standpoint for the average citizen. The reason why there is such unrest in Iran now is that there are two large generations in Iran. The generation before the Revolution, my friends fathers generation, and the generation that was born after the Iran-Iraq war. The generation that participated in the Revolution was mostly killed during the Iran-Iraq war. The old timers tell the young ones about how Iran was better and more free before the Revolution.

Also, it is very hard to compare Arabic culture with Persian, or Pakistani, or Turk. I know the Iranians, Persians, look down on Arabs as uncultured and jumped up desert tribesmen. Persians see themselves as the China of the Middle East. They look more towards their own history and celebrate it more then influence from Arab culture. The Turks of course have their own history as well but also have a lot of influence from Greek culture more so then Arabic. Also, modern Turkey was built as a response against fundamentalist Islam as the Ottoman Empire grew more fundamentalist as it declined and Attaturk and the Young Turks were in opposition to that and wanted to bring Turkey more modern and more Western looking.
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Why is there such anger in that part of the world? There always has been, from the dawn of modern man. I just don't get it (which is likely a good thing).
Geography. It is at the intersection of three continents, to start with, and when the ice age ended, it was the place that suddenly had lots of arable land as the Mediterranean withdrew, attracting a lot of people. It also had the Tigris, Euphrates, and Nile Rivers at its outskirts, attracting the earliest civilizations. It is also wide and flat, encouraging conquest and reconquest; the first recorded battle in history was fought there, and that was not a coincidence.

Because of its central location, it became valuable as a trade route. Because it had a small amount of highly arable land, it became valuable as a food source, but because the non-arable land was virtually uninhabitable, people fought vigorously for those prized locations. Because it had a lot of people (a resource in themselves), it become the founding spots for three major world religions, each of which had dominion over the others built into the more zealous sections of their scripture. Because those people constantly fought, they bore grudges, which were passed down for literally hundreds of generations. And then it was discovered to be sitting on top of the one resource that the biggest and strongest countries need in embarrassingly vast quantities - oil.

It's a perfect storm of geographic unrest.
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Geography. It is at the intersection of three continents, to start with, and when the ice age ended, it was the place that suddenly had lots of arable land as the Mediterranean withdrew, attracting a lot of people. It also had the Tigris, Euphrates, and Nile Rivers at its outskirts, attracting the earliest civilizations. It is also wide and flat, encouraging conquest and reconquest; the first recorded battle in history was fought there, and that was not a coincidence.

Because of its central location, it became valuable as a trade route. Because it had a small amount of highly arable land, it became valuable as a food source, but because the non-arable land was virtually uninhabitable, people fought vigorously for those prized locations. Because it had a lot of people (a resource in themselves), it become the founding spots for three major world religions, each of which had dominion over the others built into the more zealous sections of their scripture. Because those people constantly fought, they bore grudges, which were passed down for literally hundreds of generations. And then it was discovered to be sitting on top of the one resource that the biggest and strongest countries need in embarrassingly vast quantities - oil.

It's a perfect storm of geographic unrest.
Without question that is one of the best descriptions I have read in regards to that region. Bravo! Well done.
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